john1 Posted April 9, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 41 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 686 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 221 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/16/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 9, 2021 14 hours ago, Riverwalker said: He never stopped being God I know he never stopped being God, but by those verses he didn't become God's son until then, other wise the devil wouldn't have tempted him, and Jesus was tempted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted January 26, 2022 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 242 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 6,967 Content Per Day: 3.28 Reputation: 4,881 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted January 26, 2022 On 11/24/2020 at 2:03 PM, john1 said: Ruth chapter 1 verse 22 22 So Naomi returned from Moab accompanied by Ruth the Moabite, her daughter-in-law, arriving in Bethlehem as the barley harvest was beginning. Ruth chapter 4 13 So Boaz took Ruth and she became his wife. When he made love to her, the Lord enabled her to conceive, and she gave birth to a son. 14 The women said to Naomi: “Praise be to the Lord, who this day has not left you without a guardian-redeemer. May he become famous throughout Israel! 15 He will renew your life and sustain you in your old age. For your daughter-in-law, who loves you and who is better to you than seven sons, has given him birth.” 16 Then Naomi took the child in her arms and cared for him. 17 The women living there said, “Naomi has a son!” And they named him Obed. He was the father of Jesse, the father of David. Deuteronomy chapter 23 verse 3 No Ammonite or Moabite or any of their descendants may enter the assembly of the LORD, not even in the tenth generation. Matthew chapter 1 verse 17 Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Messiah. Good article at this link: Ruth, David, and a Moabite Mandate - Apologetics Press 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzephanyahu Posted January 27, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,625 Content Per Day: 0.79 Reputation: 2,033 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/10/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted January 27, 2022 Hi @john1 This question of yours comes up in the ancient book of Gad the Seer. In Chapter 3 of this book, a Moabite challenges David on this very topic and David consults the Most High through Nathan the prophet. Nathan returns with the message from the Most High that He was commanding this of Moabite MEN only to not of women, adding "...their women and daughters belong to Lord" - 3:10. Therefore, this could well explain Ruth's grafting into Israel. Hopefully this gives you a new perspective. Peace 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi4Yahweh Posted January 27, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,955 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 636 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/12/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted January 27, 2022 8 hours ago, Tzephanyahu said: Hi @john1 This question of yours comes up in the ancient book of Gad the Seer. In Chapter 3 of this book, a Moabite challenges David on this very topic and David consults the Most High through Nathan the prophet. Nathan returns with the message from the Most High that He was commanding this of Moabite MEN only to not of women, adding "...their women and daughters belong to Lord" - 3:10. Therefore, this could well explain Ruth's grafting into Israel. Hopefully this gives you a new perspective. Peace I think the story of Ruth is such an awe-inspiring story of God's Mercy. God always had a plan to include the nations into his covenant. Ruth a formerly uncovenanted gentile become the grandmother of both King David and King Yahshua and partaker of the promises for Israel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1 Posted February 20, 2022 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 41 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 686 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 221 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/16/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 20, 2022 On 4/8/2021 at 8:52 PM, R. Hartono said: May be because it says MEN of Judah, not women. As in Patriarchal line their children became Hebrew. Ezra chapter 10 verse 2,3 2 Then Shekaniah son of Jehiel, one of the descendants of Elam, said to Ezra, “We have been unfaithful to our God by marrying foreign women from the peoples around us. But in spite of this, there is still hope for Israel. 3 Now let us make a covenant before our God to send away all these women and their children, in accordance with the counsel of my lord and of those who fear the commands of our God. Let it be done according to the Law. Ezra chapter 10 verse 14,15,16,17 14 Let our officials act for the whole assembly. Then let everyone in our towns who has married a foreign woman come at a set time, along with the elders and judges of each town, until the fierce anger of our God in this matter is turned away from us.” 15 Only Jonathan son of Asahel and Jahzeiah son of Tikvah, supported by Meshullam and Shabbethai the Levite, opposed this. 16 So the exiles did as was proposed. Ezra the priest selected men who were family heads, one from each family division, and all of them designated by name. On the first day of the tenth month they sat down to investigate the cases, 17 and by the first day of the first month they finished dealing with all the men who had married foreign women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi Posted February 20, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,787 Content Per Day: 1.03 Reputation: 323 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted February 20, 2022 On 11/23/2020 at 8:03 PM, john1 said: Ruth chapter 1 verse 22 22 So Naomi returned from Moab accompanied by Ruth the Moabite, her daughter-in-law, arriving in Bethlehem as the barley harvest was beginning. Ruth chapter 4 13 So Boaz took Ruth and she became his wife. When he made love to her, the Lord enabled her to conceive, and she gave birth to a son. 14 The women said to Naomi: “Praise be to the Lord, who this day has not left you without a guardian-redeemer. May he become famous throughout Israel! 15 He will renew your life and sustain you in your old age. For your daughter-in-law, who loves you and who is better to you than seven sons, has given him birth.” 16 Then Naomi took the child in her arms and cared for him. 17 The women living there said, “Naomi has a son!” And they named him Obed. He was the father of Jesse, the father of David. Deuteronomy chapter 23 verse 3 No Ammonite or Moabite or any of their descendants may enter the assembly of the LORD, not even in the tenth generation. Matthew chapter 1 verse 17 Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Messiah. It may be spiritual and not carnal. The Philistines are long gone, and yet there is reference to Philistines, which is understood to mean a godless carnal type of individual. So too probably are Ammonites and Moabites, godless and carnal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted February 21, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 772 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,943 Content Per Day: 3.06 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted February 21, 2022 9 hours ago, john1 said: Ezra chapter 10 verse 2,3 2 Then Shekaniah son of Jehiel, one of the descendants of Elam, said to Ezra, “We have been unfaithful to our God by marrying foreign women from the peoples around us. But in spite of this, there is still hope for Israel. 3 Now let us make a covenant before our God to send away all these women and their children, in accordance with the counsel of my lord and of those who fear the commands of our God. Let it be done according to the Law. Ezra chapter 10 verse 14,15,16,17 14 Let our officials act for the whole assembly. Then let everyone in our towns who has married a foreign woman come at a set time, along with the elders and judges of each town, until the fierce anger of our God in this matter is turned away from us.” 15 Only Jonathan son of Asahel and Jahzeiah son of Tikvah, supported by Meshullam and Shabbethai the Levite, opposed this. 16 So the exiles did as was proposed. Ezra the priest selected men who were family heads, one from each family division, and all of them designated by name. On the first day of the tenth month they sat down to investigate the cases, 17 and by the first day of the first month they finished dealing with all the men who had married foreign women. 9 hours ago, luigi said: It may be spiritual and not carnal. The Philistines are long gone, and yet there is reference to Philistines, which is understood to mean a godless carnal type of individual. So too probably are Ammonites and Moabites, godless and carnal. From Abraham to Boaz was 11th generation. Lot lived at the same time with Abraham so Ruth could be the same 11th generation of Moab from Lot. So she was allowed by the Law as she had passed the 10th generation. @teddyv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prycejosh1987 Posted February 25, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,176 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 126 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/07/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/29/1987 Share Posted February 25, 2022 I suppose david was mixed race so that was okay. God does alot in scripture and makes alot of exceptions. One is the story of Eli, who didnt really care about God more than his sons. The sons despised God and eli didnt care about the sins they were committing. God said Eli's family has been removed from being priests for all time. I call that exception. God was absolutely vex. I believe david had the heart which attracted God to move in ways that go against his rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1 Posted February 27, 2022 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 41 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 686 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 221 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/16/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 27, 2022 On 2/20/2022 at 8:47 PM, R. Hartono said: So she was allowed by the Law as she had passed the 10th generation. Nehemiah chapter 13 23 Moreover, in those days I saw men of Judah who had married women from Ashdod, Ammon and Moab. 24 Half of their children spoke the language of Ashdod or the language of one of the other peoples, and did not know how to speak the language of Judah. 25 I rebuked them and called curses down on them. I beat some of the men and pulled out their hair. I made them take an oath in God’s name and said: “You are not to give your daughters in marriage to their sons, nor are you to take their daughters in marriage for your sons or for yourselves. 26 Was it not because of marriages like these that Solomon king of Israel sinned? Among the many nations there was no king like him. He was loved by his God, and God made him king over all Israel, but even he was led into sin by foreign women. 27 Must we hear now that you too are doing all this terrible wickedness and are being unfaithful to our God by marrying foreign women?” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted February 27, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 772 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,943 Content Per Day: 3.06 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted February 27, 2022 13 minutes ago, john1 said: Nehemiah chapter 13 23 Moreover, in those days I saw men of Judah who had married women from Ashdod, Ammon and Moab. 24 Half of their children spoke the language of Ashdod or the language of one of the other peoples, and did not know how to speak the language of Judah. 25 I rebuked them and called curses down on them. I beat some of the men and pulled out their hair. I made them take an oath in God’s name and said: “You are not to give your daughters in marriage to their sons, nor are you to take their daughters in marriage for your sons or for yourselves. 26 Was it not because of marriages like these that Solomon king of Israel sinned? Among the many nations there was no king like him. He was loved by his God, and God made him king over all Israel, but even he was led into sin by foreign women. 27 Must we hear now that you too are doing all this terrible wickedness and are being unfaithful to our God by marrying foreign women?” The gentiles women led the Hebrew to worship other god but not Ruth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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