The Make Up of Man

[Alive]

2 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

I am speaking of the written text we have mentioned here
 

1 Thess 5:23

23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
KJV
clearly in the conjunctions they are divided by grammar..

When you yourself 'say' divided, do you mean separated? 

[missmuffet]

Question: "What is man / mankind / humanity?"

Answer: The term man in the Bible sometimes refers to one male human, but more commonly means “human beings,” both male and female. Mankind, humankind, and humanity are collective designations for all humans—creatures who are made in God’s image, a characteristic that distinguishes men and women from the animals and from the Creator God Himself.

Genesis 1—2 describes the formation of the world, including the creation of humanity: “Then God said, ‘Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.’ So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them” (Genesis 1:26–27, ESV). Here the ESV makes it clear that the term translated “man” speaks of “human begins,” both male and female created beings. Other Bible translations use mankind (NIV) and human beings (NLT) in place of man.

Mankind did not evolve from other lower forms of life but was created directly by God and in the image of God (Genesis 1:26–31; James 3:9). The Creator made human beings to be His representatives on the earth, and He gave them dominion over creation: “When I consider your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have set in place, what is mankind that you are mindful of them, human beings that you care for them? You have made them a little lower than the angels and crowned them with glory and honor. You made them rulers over the works of your hands; you put everything under their feet: all flocks and herds, and the animals of the wild, the birds in the sky, and the fish in the sea, all that swim the paths of the seas” (Psalm 8:3–8).

The truth that mankind is created in the image of God forms the basis for the sanctity of human life: “Whoever sheds human blood, by humans shall their blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made mankind” (Genesis 9:6). Being made in His image expresses God’s ownership or possession of mankind, like a stamp or imprint (Mark 12:13–17). And since God created men and women in His own image, both sexes share equal standing before God. Likewise, because all humanity is made in God’s image, all human beings are equal before God, regardless of race, ethnicity, and social or economic standing (Proverbs 22:2; Matthew 20:25–28; Galatians 3:28). Perhaps only in the context of every nation, tribe, and people group, including men and women in cooperation, can we lay hold of the truest likeness of the image of God.

God created man, that is mankind, with a body and a soul. The body is the material, whereas the soul is immaterial and endures beyond physical death (Genesis 2:7; 2 Corinthians 5:1–8). After the fall of man, humanity continued as body and soul and retained God’s image, but his whole nature and being were deeply impacted by sin (Genesis 4; 6:5; Jeremiah 17:9; Ephesians 4:17–19). Humans became darkened in mind (Ephesians 4:17–19), dead in sin (Ephesians 2:1), and subject to physical death and eternal judgment (Romans 5:12–21; 8:10; 14:12; Hebrews 9:27).

God, in His love, grace, and mercy, did not abandon humanity to death and destruction but provided the way of redemption and salvation through faith in Jesus Christ: “But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God” (Ephesians 2:4–8, ESV).

Humans were made to worship God and enjoy His presence for all eternity (Isaiah 43:7; Revelation 4:11). But it’s only through Jesus Christ that humanity can know God personally and enter into an eternal relationship with Him (Romans 3:21–26). The full manifestation of our salvation will be accomplished at the end of the age with a resurrection when we enter into the eternal, immortal state (1 Corinthians 15:49–57). Of course, not all of humanity will be saved. Only those who put their faith in Christ are made right with God (Romans 3:22). In Jesus Christ, man becomes all that God created him to be—a true reflection of the image of God (2 Corinthians 3:10; 5:17; Ephesians 4:24).

https://www.gotquestions.org/what-is-man.html

Edited November 25, 2020 by missmuffet

[enoob57]

1 minute ago, Alive said:

When you yourself 'say' divided, do you mean separated? 

there are particulars that each must bear separate from other... it is involving parts that have been placed together to make up the whole yet remaining identifiable in their part in the whole~ thus making the individual aspect clearly needed to be the whole... When separate they are distinctive yet when placed together the distinctions blur and seemly impossible to discern where one begins and the other leaves off...  Exactly as the function of The Trinity of God as I seek to learn the Who of God= Father, Son and Spirit.... You are well of aware of the harm of the oneness group when they deny The Trinity of God?

[Alive]

Just now, enoob57 said:

When separate they are distinctive yet when placed together the distinctions blur and seemly impossible to discern where one begins and the other leaves off..

Ok--we are good in the main, but I can't agree with this part because of this scripture and experience. It is very necessary for a son of God to after some time and maturity to recognize when something is coming from the body (sensual), the soul (mind or emotions for instance) or God through man's spirit.

Heb. 4:12 (ESVS) For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

[enoob57]

8 minutes ago, Josheb said:

No, proof-texting never defines such a parameter. A single verse is factored into all else that scripture says on a matter; all of them cohesively understood to speak with a single voice that never contradicts itself. 

1 Thes. 5:23 does not define the doctrine. No single verse does. Yet that is what has been attempted; a selct few verses removed from their context and asserted as more significant than all others. 1 Thes. 5:23 stands amidst all of the verses that have been brought to bear on this subject (by all the posters) and many we've left out. 

We will have to respectfully disagree for I believe not one jot or tittle cannot be removed till all be accomplished...
Whenever a subject exists all parts of that subject from Genesis to Revelation must be brought to bear to maintain the understanding God requires of the that subject... granted there are many times in this approach we are unable to continue for the difficulty in the reason itself. I believe it is God's Eye upon us to see if we are willing through respect for His Word to wait till He enlarges us to be able to continue! I do not have anxiety over this due to the fact- when I am brought into His Presence I will know even as I am known...
 

[enoob57]

12 minutes ago, Josheb said:

For the reasons I have already stated while cutting to the chase. 

It is the breath of God that creates the living being. The living being is comprised of body, soul, and spirit. There is no precedent in scripture for disembodied parts; every spirit seen has mass; therefore it has a body. The two are not separated. For a human to lose one part it would mean the human would cease to exist. Those raised in incorruptible bodies to immortality do not cease to exist. 

That cut to the chase enough for you? 

There exists an eternity where God existed in Spirit before mass was ever created we are in that image as well...
 

Gen 1:1

1 In the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth.
KJV
 

[Alive]

5 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Marriage is a temporal expression of a divine relationship. God made man in His image, male and female He made them. The male, the female, united with the Son through the Holy Spirit such that we can participate in the divine nature (2 Pet. 1:4). 

There is within this, some of the most beautiful of Truths.

Procreation=Being

[Speks]

2 hours ago, Josheb said:

the human cognitive, affective, and volitional faculties (thinking, feeling, will)...

That's a particularly good description of everything that can hamper God's work in and through the Church, and in the life of each believer. All of this must be weighed by Christ and be subjected to His Spirit Who lives within.

Without Him we can accomplish nothing because there's nothing good or profitable in our flesh, our carnal selves, even though it may seem so useful at times. We can't trust ourselves apart from Him. We need to have faith to respond when we hear Him.

That's something all true believers can agree on, hopefully...

[enoob57]

8 minutes ago, Josheb said:

You are not paying attention. 

I have asserted that very same exact standard. 

It is JohnD who is using scripture selectively and proof-texting. 

We don't have a disagreement. Twice no, in the last two posts you've made this mistake. Please pay greater attention to what is actually posted. 

Is English your native language?

This is what you replied to as quote listed:

what is in your mind of meaning is not written here... I can only go by what is written and JohnD is not even spoken of... so your requirement of me being able to read your mind I will assuredly fail! Yes English is my primary language.

[enoob57]

32 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Yes, but...  ...we're not talking about the make up of God. This op is about the make up of man. 

I know but we are in that image not the fallen cursed world idea of image...