Let's get down to it, the Nitty Gritty

August 7, 2005

Jesus violated the Sabbath Laws when he was here by his own admission so I think it is safe to say that He doesn't expect me to follow them either.

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Let's discuss that here --------> http://www.worthyboards.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=26172

other one · August 7, 2005

Other one, are you familiar with the work law? Or the Sabbath laws? Do you remember that after the resurrection the apostles where only traveling the Sabbath distance on the Sabbath? Have you taken the 'laws' Yeshua was accused of breaking and looked them up in the Torah? Was he really breaking his own laws, or man-made prohibitions that became burdens?

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But Zayit, why did he not show them that they were wrong and leave us with the idea that he was breaking the sabbath laws. Other places He told them that they had changed the laws and pointed out how they had made the laws of none effect. I just find it really bothersome that he simply told them that he was working and so was the Father.

I look only at what was written within the ten commandments, and it says no work should be done..... not by anyone or anything. I would expect somehting of this magnitude to have been explained during the time he was accused of it.

There are a long string of Him being accused of working on the Sabbath, and never tells the Pharasees that they are wrong about the work part. I find that really bothersome and it is hard for me to see.

Paul tells us that he becomes as the Jews so that the Jews can relate to him and to gentiles he becomes as a gentile. Paul was doing those things so he could preach to the Jews because if he didn't he would not even be listened to. But what did Jesus do.

A couple of threads ago I ask someone from the Sabbath belief to very technically describe what the Sabbath is and all the things we must do or not do that day. I have not seen anything but the 4th commandment posted. The pharasees accused Jesus of breaking that law and I don't see Him anywhere disagree with them. Over and over I come back to the same thing..... What is the Sabbath and what must I do or not do any different from the rest of my life, and if Jesus didn't break the Sabbath Laws why did he not say so??

I come from a teaching that says that if a member of the church of christ does not baptise you you'll burn,,,, so understand that I must see and understand before I buy into teachings these days.

Yes I do believe that Jesus is our Husband so to speak and I do want to follow His commands..... but His commands when he was here as Jesus Christ not Jehovah of the days of Moses. I know that He is the same today tomorrow and forever, but he may well not want us to be the same or do the same things during all time.

Things are different in the New Covenant, or there would not have been a necesstiy to have one.

According to the teachings of Paul it is very ok if you do have a special day or Sabbath. We are just not to judge one another in this matter. So remember in these discussions that I am only telling people why I beleive what I do..... it is very ok if you do or need to do otherwise and the Lord seems to be ok with it too.

My problem is when someone says that we are not really saved when we break a commandment that it appears to me, from all that I read, the Lord did when he was here. One of the major things the Pharasees had againse him was that he broke the Sabbath laws...... I don't see anywhere that he disagreed with them on this subject at any time. He simply says that He works and so does the Father.

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August 7, 2005

Can you put that post over in the other thread? I really wanted this one to answer the question of individually why people don't want to keep the Sabbath. Let's keep this on track and discuss that in the other thread I gave a link to , please?

Gerioke · August 7, 2005

Can you put that post over in the other thread? I really wanted this one to answer the question of individually why people don't want to keep the Sabbath. Let's keep this on track and discuss that in the other thread I gave a link to , please?

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I suppose it would depend on your definition of work. I am a musician by trade, so even when I'm working , I'm not really working. My wife goes to the grocery store, and she is continually singing praises to the Lord. She goes into the store all revved up on the Holy Spirit and witnesses to people right in the store. She doesn't like shopping but she likes doing the will of God.

If you have a problem with "doing things" on Saturday, then don't. I'm sure the Lord will still love you anyways.

Gerioke · August 7, 2005

That you don't want to keep the true Sabbath?

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This would be because the days of the week have been lost in time. What anyone calls Saturday or Sunday may or may not be in their proper place anyway. So to remedy this I observe the Sabbath 24-7 remembering that when we enter Gods rest the will of man will end and never be done again. Plus the fact that I have been relieved of the care of observing days and months and years sense it has all been lost in time and would only be revived to cast a stumbling block before those who love the Lord and seek His righteousness.

Galatians 4

8 But then, indeed, when you did not know God, you served those which by nature are not gods.

9 But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage?

10 You observe days and months and seasons and years.

11 I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.

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August 7, 2005

Can you put that post over in the other thread? I really wanted this one to answer the question of individually why people don't want to keep the Sabbath. Let's keep this on track and discuss that in the other thread I gave a link

August 7, 2005

That you don't want to keep the true Sabbath?

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This would be because the days of the week have been lost in time. What anyone calls Saturday or Sunday may or may not be in their proper place anyway. So to remedy this I observe the Sabbath 24-7 remembering that when we enter Gods rest the will of man will end and never be done again. Plus the fact that I have been relieved of the care of observing days and months and years sense it has all been lost in time and would only be revived to cast a stumbling block before those who love the Lord and seek His righteousness.

Galatians 4

8 But then, indeed, when you did not know God, you served those which by nature are not gods.

9 But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage?

10 You observe days and months and seasons and years.

11 I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.

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Do you really call G-d's moedim weak and beggarly elements? Do you really think that Paul was speaking of this? Honestly, I really want to know.

Remnantrob · August 8, 2005

So to remedy this I observe the Sabbath 24-7 remembering that when we enter Gods rest the will of man will end and never be done again

How do you get around then? No work for seven days a week. Sounds kinda lazy.

P.S.

It was a joke.....you can laugh now.

August 8, 2005

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So to remedy this I observe the Sabbath 24-7 remembering that when we enter Gods rest the will of man will end and never be done again

How do you get around then?

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August 8, 2005

See for yourself brothers

http://www.newadvent.org/

Sabbath

(Heb. shabbath, cessation, rest; Gr. Sabbaton; Lat. Sabbatum).

The seventh day of the week among the Hebrews, the day being counted from sunset to sunset, that is, from Friday evening to Saturday evening.

Prescriptions concerning the Sabbath

The Sabbath was a day of rest "sanctified to the Lord" (Ex., xvi, 23; xxxi, 15; Deut., v, 14). All work was forbidden, the prohibition including strangers as well as Israelites, beasts as well as men (Ex., xx, 8-10; xxxi, 13-17; Deut., v, 12-14). The following particular actions are mentioned as forbidden: cooking (ex., xvi, 23); gathering manna (xvi, 26 sqq.); plowing and reaping (xxxiv, 21); lighting a fire (for cooking, xxxv, 3); gathering wood (num., xv, 32 sqq.); carrying burdens (jer., xvii, 21-22); pressing grapes, bringing in sheaves, and loading animals (II Esd., xiii, 15); trading (Ibid., 15 sqq.). Travelling, at least with a religious object, was not forbidden, the prohibition of Ex., xvi, 29, referring only to leaving the camp to gather food; it is implied in the institution of holy assemblies (Lev., xxiii, 2-3, Heb. text), and was customary in the time of the kings (IV Kings, iv, 23). At a later period, however, all movement was restricted to a distance of 2000 cubits (between five and six furlongs), or a "sabbath day's journey" (Acts, I, 12). Total abstention from work was prescribed only for the Sabbath and the Day of Atonement; on the other feast-days servile work alone was prohibited (Ex., xii, 16; Lev., xxiii, 7 sqq.). Wilful violation of the Sabbath was punished with death (Ex., xxxi, 14-15; Num., xv, 32-36). The prohibition of work made it necessary to prepare food, and whatever might be needed, the day before the Sabbath, hence known as the day of preparation, or Parasceve (paraskeue; Matt., xxvii, 62; Mark, xv, 42; etc.). Besides abstention from work, special religious observances were prescribed. (a) The daily sacrifices were doubled, that is two lambs of a year old without blemish were offered up in the morning, and two in the evening, with twice the usual quantity of flour tempered with oil and of the wine of libation (num., xxvii, 3-10). (b) New loaves of proposition were placed before the Lord (Lev., xxiv, 5; 1 Par., ix, 32).

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