The crazy settlers Really SHow their true colors

[M45510G1C]

Thank you SJ I'm no good at analogies

[amor]

Don't be surprised if more Jews start doing crazy stuff as a result of being uprooted from their God-given Land.

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Do you condemn this act, and will you condemn the act of any others who behave likewise. You seem to be trying to justify it. Remember that the victims of this crime were as innocent as any of those on the 30 bus in London or on the countless other Israeli buses attacked by terrorists

[Guest shiloh357]

Don't be surprised if more Jews start doing crazy stuff as a result of being uprooted from their God-given Land.

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Do you condemn this act, and will you condemn the act of any others who behave likewise. You seem to be trying to justify it. Remember that the victims of this crime were as innocent as any of those on the 30 bus in London or on the countless other Israeli buses attacked by terrorists

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Of course I condemn it!!! The point I have been making is that the more you push and push, and push, and force people to give up everything they have worked their entire lives to gain honestly and pull out from underneath them and give it over their sworn enemies, you can expect some violent behavior/and rhetoric. I don't condone it. I do, however understand it.

The people in Gush Katif have been demonized in the press, demonized by their country, they have been shelled mercilessly, and it is expected that the violence may increase. Why should it be so surprising that they might react the same way anyone else would? Like Yod said, the fact that only ONE was found doing this after the last several months is completely amazing. Generally the Jews in Israel have conducted themselves with more dignity in this mess than the Palestinians who continue to shell them, and taunt them.

[nebula]

As for the question of Canadians and US...let's make it a bit more realistic.

Israel: On a land that was occupied by Arabs, but originally belonged to them.

US: On land that belonged to Native Americans and never belonged to us.

So what if a few Native Americans one day blew up a bus in New York City and then began committed terrorist actions against the US? HIstory shows we would go on a genocidal raid against them and try to kill them off or into submission.

What if a few Palestinians blow up a bus in Tel Aviv and then begin committing terrorist actions against Israel? The US tells Israel to give up land to appease them and to go back to the 1947 border.

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I've been thinking the same thing, only wasn't sure how to word it.

The Native Americans have more rights to the land than the so-called Palestinians do.

But the Bible does prophecy that the whole world will come against Israel.

I's no suprise that the world today is painting Israel as the bad guy and is so hated.

All they want to do is live, and all the world wants is to see them getting blown up without defending themselves.

[amor]

Of course I condemn it!!! The point I have been making is that the more you push and push, and push, and force people to give up everything they have worked their entire lives to gain honestly and pull out from underneath them and give it over their sworn enemies, you can expect some violent behavior/and rhetoric.  I don't condone it. 

  Why should it be so surprising that they might react the same way anyone else would? Like Yod said, the fact that only ONE was found doing this after the last several months is completely amazing.  Generally the Jews  in Israel have conducted themselves with more dignity in this mess than the Palestinians who continue to shell them, and taunt them.

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So Palestinians driven from their homes by their "sworn enemies" who become terrorists are beyond the pale to you, but you try to explain this act of terrorism using the same type of justification that they do. Isn't that a double standard? Seems like the same sort of barbaric act to me and equally unqustifiable.

This isn't rhetoric or a mild duffing up this is the cold blooded murder of innocent civillians (two Christians and one Druze by the way, so not even those "nasty" Muslims you are always so eager to attack) by a religious/nationalist maniac.

[Guest shiloh357]

Of course I condemn it!!! The point I have been making is that the more you push and push, and push, and force people to give up everything they have worked their entire lives to gain honestly and pull out from underneath them and give it over their sworn enemies, you can expect some violent behavior/and rhetoric.

[amor]

Of course I condemn it!!! The point I have been making is that the more you push and push, and push, and force people to give up everything they have worked their entire lives to gain honestly and pull out from underneath them and give it over their sworn enemies, you can expect some violent behavior/and rhetoric.

[Guest shiloh357]

Thank you for the history revisionism, so adequately supplied by the Palestinians.

Now to the real history of Ramle and Lod.

Lod and Ramle were selected to come under attack by the IDF because of their location on the Jerusalem/Tel Aviv road. These were not peaceful towns. Rather were where the Arab legion was holed up in the war. This incident occurred. by the way. in the middle of a war instigated by the Arabs.

Lod and Ramle were used as places of refuge for Arab fighters and Israeli convoys were consstantly coming under fire from these towns.

Previously Jewish buses had been ambushed by Arabs from Lod, and Arabs from Ramle attacked a police station and had stolen hundreds of rifles and machine guns and something like 60,000 pieces of ammuntion.

Israel's attack on Lod and Ramle were necessary acts of war given the fact that these two villages were being used for military purposes. The inhabitants were removed but only to a few miles further east to another area held by the Arab legion where they would not be a threat to Israeli forces any longer. They were not massacred, or raped or anything else the Palestinian propagandists like to claim.

"The Haganah did employ psychological warfare to encourage the Arabs to abandon a few villages. Yigal Allon, the commander of the Palmach (the "shock force of the Haganah"), said he had Jews talk to the Arabs in neighboring villages and tell them a large Jewish force was in Galilee with the intention of burning all the Arab villages in the Lake Huleh region. The Arabs were told to leave while they still had time and, according to Allon, they did exactly that." (Bard, M. (Jewish Virtual Library)

After the noncombantant inhabitants fled, the fighters remained and Israel engaged the Arab fighters in empty villages. This kept civilian casualties to a minimum, though not completely avoided. Forces in both towns surrendered after only a brief engagement with the Hagganah (IDF). As I said, the events that transpired, transpired as a result of a war that was started by the Arabs. Those Palestinians who remained as peaceful inhabitants were granted citizenship, those who chose to resist, got the fruit of their resistance.

[Avodah]

I take offense at the words "crazy settlers".

I think they have been broken. Have you ever felt out of control because someone is forcing you to do something against your will? They take something from you that is yours by all rights, that you worked for and would die for. What would you do? I don't condone what this man did, but I can understand being broken and at your wits end.

[dgolvach]

If there is a race to see who can turn out the most nut-job terrorists, the Jews and Christians are waaaaaayyyyy behind. Its not even a contest. The difference is, when Jews or Christians do something wrong, they are brought to justice by their own. Not so in the Islamic world. Has Osama been turned over yet? Don't tell me that there are no Muslims giving him shelter. As for crazy settlers??? I think not. T'd off is more accurate and with good reason. Was the area that is being fought over ever anything worth fighting over before the Jews settled it? What was this area like before it became a Jewish state? Its mostly about ENVY.

Dan