Evidence about the coming literal Millennium of Christ

[Riverwalker]

21 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

There are other good ideas since the very syntax of the Greek is confusing. Nobody has conclusively proved that Revelation was written after the fall of Jerusalem in 70AD. Think about it.

"Another excerpt by Dr. Riddlebarger:

There are four major approaches to interpreting the Book of Revelation. (4) The one with which most of you are familiar is the futurist view, which holds that much of what is written here remains yet to be fulfilled in the days immediately before our Lord's return. This explains why it is that people who hold this view (like Hal Lindsey, and Tim LaHaye) spend so much of their time and energy trying to tie the symbols in the Book of Revelation to current events. As many of you know, many evangelical churches and ministries devote themselves to explaining every tragedy and political crisis directly from the pages of Revelation. But if you are expecting me to do the same you'll be very disappointed. I am not going to identify the Antichrist, predict the date of our Lord's return, or explain the roles of America and Israel in biblical prophecy. Instead, I will be talking about what John talks about: Jesus Christ's certain victory over all of his enemies.

Another view-which is gaining acceptance among Reformed Christians-is preterism. This view holds that Revelation was written before the destruction of Jerusalem in A. D. 70, and that much of what we find in the Book of Revelation has been fulfilled when the Roman army sacked Jerusalem in A. D. 70, destroying the temple and dispersing surviving Jews throughout the Mediterranean world. Preterists make the opposite error as do the futurists. Instead of treating this book as though it deals with future events, preterists treat Revelation as though it is largely historical, and that everything written here has already taken place, with the possible exception of Christ's second coming and the resurrection, a view taken by so-called partial preterists like R. C. Sproul and Ken Gentry. (5) This is very problematic because it reduces Revelation to a mere historical record, robbing the book of its apocalyptic character and its stress upon Christ's final and eschatological victory when he returns in judgment to raise the dead and make all things new on the "last day."

A third view is one which has been widely held by historic Protestants and is known as historicism. Though few still hold it today, this view sees the book of Revelation as a kind of historical map which plots the history of Christ's church from the apostolic age unto the time of the Reformation. Proponents of this view usually identify the Harlot of Babylon in Revelation 18 with the papacy and the Roman church, a view which has been elevated to confessional status by the Westminster Confession. Although the papacy may indeed be a part of the anti-Christian opposition to the preaching of the Gospel, this view does not comport well with the nature of apocalyptic literature, which depicts not specific events, but general patterns of a re-occurring conflict between Christ and Satan which culminates in a final eschatological battle.

A fourth view is called idealism, a modified form of which I will be presenting throughout this series. This view emphasizes the apocalyptic nature of the book, and understands the various visions throughout Revelation as depictions of the struggle which takes place during the entire period of time between the first and the second coming of Jesus Christ. Each vision is describing the same period of time but from a different perspective or vantage point, each vision with a different theological theme or emphasis. As Dennis Johnson from Westminster Seminary puts it, each of these visions is like looking at the same scene from a different camera angle. (6) This means that we must not see Revelation as depicting strictly future or historical events, nor does Revelation exhaustively map out the history of the church age. Instead, we must see the visions and symbols in them as pictures of the on-going struggle between Christ and Satan and his agents, the beast and the dragon, a struggle which Christ will inevitably win on behalf of his people. This is the way apocalyptic literature works."

https://www.puritanboard.com/threads/why-not-a-literal-1000-year-millennium.13053/page-2

 

Again all of the above is what man says. I am interested in what God says. His Bible, His word.

[Riverwalker]

1 minute ago, Walter Goraj jr said:

I'm sorry that just doesn't make any sense. If the allegorical is meant to be taken literally then it's not an allegory.

" But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery,  even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory"   ( 1 Cor.2:7).

There is much "strong meat" or deeper spiritual meaning that God makes available to His chosen. This is why there are different interpretations of the same thing. Many people are content with taking God's word at face value or listening to what the teacher tells them because that's the only way they know.

Well that was your first mistake, thinking everything has to make sense to us, to be true.

What were the parables that Jesus taught but Allegory?  While there may not have been an actual good Samaritan, the lesson behind it is to be taken VERY Literally

 

[Justin Adams]

6 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

an actual good Samaritan

Historically, the Samaritans did in fact help Judah on occasion during their many skirmishes and wars.

[Marathoner]

1 hour ago, Justin Adams said:

There are other good ideas since the very syntax of the Greek is confusing. Nobody has conclusively proved that Revelation was written after the fall of Jerusalem in 70AD. Think about it.

"Another excerpt by Dr. Riddlebarger:

There are four major approaches to interpreting the Book of Revelation. (4) The one with which most of you are familiar is the futurist view, which holds that much of what is written here remains yet to be fulfilled in the days immediately before our Lord's return. This explains why it is that people who hold this view (like Hal Lindsey, and Tim LaHaye) spend so much of their time and energy trying to tie the symbols in the Book of Revelation to current events. As many of you know, many evangelical churches and ministries devote themselves to explaining every tragedy and political crisis directly from the pages of Revelation. But if you are expecting me to do the same you'll be very disappointed. I am not going to identify the Antichrist, predict the date of our Lord's return, or explain the roles of America and Israel in biblical prophecy. Instead, I will be talking about what John talks about: Jesus Christ's certain victory over all of his enemies.

Another view-which is gaining acceptance among Reformed Christians-is preterism. This view holds that Revelation was written before the destruction of Jerusalem in A. D. 70, and that much of what we find in the Book of Revelation has been fulfilled when the Roman army sacked Jerusalem in A. D. 70, destroying the temple and dispersing surviving Jews throughout the Mediterranean world. Preterists make the opposite error as do the futurists. Instead of treating this book as though it deals with future events, preterists treat Revelation as though it is largely historical, and that everything written here has already taken place, with the possible exception of Christ's second coming and the resurrection, a view taken by so-called partial preterists like R. C. Sproul and Ken Gentry. (5) This is very problematic because it reduces Revelation to a mere historical record, robbing the book of its apocalyptic character and its stress upon Christ's final and eschatological victory when he returns in judgment to raise the dead and make all things new on the "last day."

A third view is one which has been widely held by historic Protestants and is known as historicism. Though few still hold it today, this view sees the book of Revelation as a kind of historical map which plots the history of Christ's church from the apostolic age unto the time of the Reformation. Proponents of this view usually identify the Harlot of Babylon in Revelation 18 with the papacy and the Roman church, a view which has been elevated to confessional status by the Westminster Confession. Although the papacy may indeed be a part of the anti-Christian opposition to the preaching of the Gospel, this view does not comport well with the nature of apocalyptic literature, which depicts not specific events, but general patterns of a re-occurring conflict between Christ and Satan which culminates in a final eschatological battle.

A fourth view is called idealism, a modified form of which I will be presenting throughout this series. This view emphasizes the apocalyptic nature of the book, and understands the various visions throughout Revelation as depictions of the struggle which takes place during the entire period of time between the first and the second coming of Jesus Christ. Each vision is describing the same period of time but from a different perspective or vantage point, each vision with a different theological theme or emphasis. As Dennis Johnson from Westminster Seminary puts it, each of these visions is like looking at the same scene from a different camera angle. (6) This means that we must not see Revelation as depicting strictly future or historical events, nor does Revelation exhaustively map out the history of the church age. Instead, we must see the visions and symbols in them as pictures of the on-going struggle between Christ and Satan and his agents, the beast and the dragon, a struggle which Christ will inevitably win on behalf of his people. This is the way apocalyptic literature works."

https://www.puritanboard.com/threads/why-not-a-literal-1000-year-millennium.13053/page-2

 

Thank you for sharing this excerpt, brother. There is a quality, or perhaps attribute, of the Lord's words which we are hard-pressed to express let alone understand. I write about the eternal nature of every word from the mouth of God. 

What has been, it is what will be,
And what has been done, it is what will be done.
So there is nothing new under the sun.
(Ecclesiastes 1:9 NASB)

Eternal in that the words of Most High never perish; eternal, “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty” (Revelation 1:8 NASB); eternal, above and beyond time and space as we experience such things in this flesh. Indeed, the Lord knows the end from the beginning so I tread carefully knowing that the Most High presides over His creation. Nothing is hidden from His sight. 

We know that His judgment against Babylon transcends the earthly; when the prophet Isaiah declared the decree of the Divine Council (Isaiah 14) the Lord was speaking to more than just the earthly nation. God's words were also meant for the accuser and those wicked princes who will die like men. 

I agree with Dr. Riddlebarger.  

[Riverwalker]

7 minutes ago, Walter Goraj jr said:

No, you misunderstood.  What you said didn't make any sense. 

You stated: "It is all meant to be taken Literally. Even the Allegorical. Allegory is only used to make it easier to understand"

An allegory is symbolic or metaphorical language. It is abstract. Of course what it could be teaching is a literal event or principle.

No I did not misunderstand, you are just hung up on the language. The whole Idea of language, weather prose, allegory parable or whatever they purpose is to communicate a thought, and Idea, and all communication is to be taken as Authoritatively Literal.

There is no picking or choosing what the bible is trying to convey, it is not subject to interpretation, reason, logic or any other man made criteria.  It is the truth of God and must be accepted, whether or not it makes sense - aka taken literally 

[Riverwalker]

10 minutes ago, Walter Goraj jr said:

Anyone who has the mind of Christ Is On Solid Ground to interpret scripture with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. There will be many once again who will be very surprised when Christ comes not just to set up a literal thousand year kingdom over there in Israel, but an eternal Kingdom that begins as soon as He comes again.

That is not interpretation, that is revelation  of the Holy Spirit. We do not decide what is right, He reveals what is right

2 Peter 1: 19 And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; 20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, 21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

 

 

[Justin Adams]

13 minutes ago, Walter Goraj jr said:

Actually that was very real. The fallen angels ( demons) can inhabit humans and animals as we read in Mt. 8:13.

A point of clarity here. Demons come from dead Nephilim before and after the flood. Fallen Holy Ones are another different class and the Watchers that Descended on Mt Hermon were far higher beings than mere demons. The other Holy Ones that sinned may be seen in Psalm 82 "and they will die like men". These are the territorial spirits formerly put over the 70 nations after the scattering of Babel (Deut 32:8). These spirits caused the various pantheons.

[Heleadethme]

On 2/11/2021 at 12:30 PM, Justin Adams said:

the nature of apocalyptic literature, which depicts not specific events, but general patterns of a re-occurring conflict between Christ and Satan which culminates in a final eschatological battle.

This is the one I'm trying on for size.  Trying to have eyes to see.  It makes sense because prophecy is often fulfilled, or partially fulfilled, more than once.  It depicts spiritual truth, the nature of the war we are in, which doesn't change, hence it keeps bringing us to the same manifestations in history, over and over again...nothing new under the sun.  Even now there are many antichrists...and they all lead to the same end when they are not restrained.  One day it will be the last Antichrist, and this cycle will have run for the last time.   Thankfully.

[Heleadethme]

On 2/11/2021 at 12:52 PM, Riverwalker said:

Again all of the above is what man says. I am interested in what God says. His Bible, His word.

Jesus (the Word made flesh) "spake them in parables and without a parable spake He not to them".  Scripture is full of allegory...parables...similitudes...dark sentences.  Speaking spiritual things in spiritual language.  This is why we need the Holy Spirit to lead us into all truth.  The carnal mind is enmity with God and cannot perceive the things of the Spirit...we need the mind of Christ, by His Spirit.

[R. Hartono]

On 2/7/2021 at 10:23 PM, Walter Goraj jr said:

You want us to believe that in this new "millennial kingdom" there will be hundred year old children that will not live to be one hundred an one (literal) years old, because they have to die. A (child)....100 years old.

Lord Jesus will restore the earth, atmosphere n water, men will live long like Adam, Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahalalel, Jared, Henokh, Methuselah, Lamekh n Noah, these direct 10 descendants from Adam live almost a thousand years be4 the flood, thats why you are called a child if u live only to a hundred.