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Hello all its been a while. I think Ive finally identified why its so hard for me to trust God. 

I keep thinking God loves his glory more than us bc no matter what he will do what he wills despite my feelings. 

Just hard for me to trust God is 100% good. 

 

Can someone help mr with this dilemma 


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1 hour ago, DDisconnect said:

God's love for us is his glory. No?

Always thought that was his holiness.


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2 hours ago, Figure of eighty said:

I keep thinking God loves his glory more than us bc no matter what he will do what he wills despite my feelings. 

I am grateful beyond measure that God's going  to do what he wills despite how I am feeling!

With my anxiety, depression, and occasional anger issues - my feelings are, on any given day, all over the place.

What trust and rest and peace I have knowing that God controls everything and makes ALL the decision even if I "feel" otherwise.  So many times that calms my fears and inner chaos.

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3 hours ago, Figure of eighty said:

Hello all its been a while. I think Ive finally identified why its so hard for me to trust God. 

I keep thinking God loves his glory more than us bc no matter what he will do what he wills despite my feelings. 

Just hard for me to trust God is 100% good. 

 

Can someone help mr with this dilemma 

God is motivated entirely by love. Therein lies his glory.


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11 hours ago, Figure of eighty said:

Hello all its been a while. I think Ive finally identified why its so hard for me to trust God. 

I keep thinking God loves his glory more than us bc no matter what he will do what he wills despite my feelings. 

Just hard for me to trust God is 100% good. 

 

Can someone help mr with this dilemma 

The Bible often compares our relationship to God to a parent/child relationship. It's a really solid comparison. At times a parent is going to have to do certain things despite what their child wants or feels. Tough love might be required. A child probably won't have the same understanding of consequences, dangers, and so on that the parent has. Imagine yourself in the sort of position where you have to do that. What would be your main motivations for acting in your child's best interests when they won't appreciate it in the short term? Would your own glory be a primary motivation?


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15 hours ago, Figure of eighty said:

Hello all its been a while. I think Ive finally identified why its so hard for me to trust God. 

I keep thinking God loves his glory more than us bc no matter what he will do what he wills despite my feelings. 

Just hard for me to trust God is 100% good. 

 

Can someone help mr with this dilemma 

Some churches do indeed believe and teach something like this, but not all do.   Some are invested heavily in a form of predestination which at its core believes that God has chosen who is saved and who is not.  This leads to belief in the doctrine of reprobation which means God has created some people solely for the purpose of being eternally punished for being sinners.  The theological way out of God being merely capricious (and to thus to be greatly feared) is to say such actions emphasize His holiness and glory which is an essential part of His nature.  Grace then becomes not so much "Jesus died for me as a sinner when I could not save myself" but rather "Thank God, I'm one of the elect and not one of those chosen for eternal judgement."    If eternal judgement or bad things happening in your life shows God's greatness, then it is a good thing.  In essence, in this type of belief system, the main purpose and value of individual human beings is in emphasizing how great God is.   Not all those who believe in predestination believe exactly like this, but I have heard such things from various pulpits, in various teachings, and from various people on this site.  The OP seems to reflect having been influenced by this type of teaching.

Simply put, not all Christians believe this way.  God is transcendent and our finite limited minds fail to capture His full nature.  For example, Christians believing Jesus being both fully human and fully divine.  This means it is proper to talk and think about Him as being human.  It is also equally proper to talk and think about Him as God.   Speaking about Him as human does not negate His divinity nor does speaking about Him as divine negate His humanity.   In the same way, speaking about God's holiness and glory does not negate His love and mercy.  Speaking of His love and mercy does not negate His holiness.  It is that when we speak about one or the other, our attention is drawn toward one and away from the other.  Where problems arise is when our focus remains on one and ignores the other.   We then miss part of who God is.

If we put most or all of our attention onto His holiness and glory (which is what some teachers seem to do), we end up with a form of Christian fatalism whereby whatever happens does so because it emphasizes God's glory in some way.   We can only hope that what brings Him glory matches up with what is good for us personally.  If it isn't, we still need to rejoice that it's showing God's glory in some way.   We will see a huge unbridgeable gap between us and God that will always remain even though we are saved.  God is the always the potter and we are always merely the clay to be done with as He sees fit.

In contrast,  with a healthy level of attention on His love and mercy, we see our value as individuals coming because He created us and loves us.  While we were sinners, Jesus died for each us individually.  Our relationship with God becomes more like the 12 disciples walking and living with Jesus to whom Jesus said, ``Now I call you friends..".  We see His love and mercy applying to us individually because He loves each of us individually (and not merely corporately as one more human being among the masses).  Those things that occur in our lives are intended to help us grow and mature.   God is yet the potter, but now He is a craftsman pouring His passion and love and creativity and mercy into each of us to make us into a masterpiece that will reflect His glory through the unique individual He is crafting us to be.   His vision of the masterpiece we are each meant to be is much grander than ours and may seem foreign and strange to us at times.  But, when we bring our attention to His love and mercy, we can see His hand in our lives doing things for our benefit because He loves us.

 

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