Pretrib began with Darby?

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7 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

We see the results of this Destruction and then have to imagine what took place.

My guess is...

Knowing how the religious sects were able to buy off favors, like getting Christ to Pilot to be judged before the Crucifixion.  I believe we can also see the same pattern towards the Apostles when the Gospel began exploding in the days of [Acts].   The Gospel being preached by others, the miracles taking place everywhere, the boldness of Peter and the others, Jews converting from the Law to Christ, and this is {after} their attempts and success of killing Yeshua, burying Him, being done away with His teachings/miracles/thinking.

 

I would imagine for the Romans, overlooking a very divided Jerusalem, (and what Christ had accomplished was now happening 12 fold with Paul involved + converts), no doubt the Pharisees and company were complaining to the Governor like they did about Christ, it was the easiest fix by going into the heart of the matter, diffusing the war between Jews, destroying the Temple [misunderstanding Christ was no part of this Temple] thinking they would solve the Yiddish Religion Problem.   

 

As a result of that tragic event, the Gospel today has reached basically every known soul with few exceptions here and there.

 

The Brilliancy of God and Him allowing His People to take such a fall in order to "spread" the [Gospel].   I would say Judgement is nasty when you're not just defeated, but become the {Spark} that set off what you spent your last days trying to keep hidden in secret.

Both Josephus and Tacitus wrote extensively about leading up to the seige and the destruction of Jerusalem. It was over the top devastating in so many ways. The Jews within the walls were responsible for more deaths that the Romans.

Jerusalem had been a world wonder and the temple unrivaled, but its people were wicked and killed the Son of God, when He would have gathered them in.

That destruction served to essentially sunder Christianity from Judaism and that was essential for the sake of the integrity of the Gospel.

IMO

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1 minute ago, Alive said:

Both Josephus and Tacitus wrote extensively about leading up to the seige and the destruction of Jerusalem. It was over the top devastating in so many ways. The Jews within the walls were responsible for more deaths that the Romans.

Jerusalem had been a world wonder and the temple unrivaled, but its people were wicked and killed the Son of God, when He would have gathered them in.

That destruction served to essentially sunder Christianity from Judaism and that was essential for the sake of the integrity of the Gospel.

IMO

Agreed!

And God accomplished His Will!

The Gospel {LIVES}!

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On earth as it is in heaven.

[Diaste]

1 hour ago, kingdombrat said:

Agreed!

Mostly based on the fact the Gospel is designed to be spread all over the known world.   What better event than the Destruction of both Jerusalem and the Temple to get people scattered.   As result, God's WORD is scattered to every part.   That makes the 70 A.D. event spiritually biased towards spreading the Gospel of Christ only, not the fulfillment of prophecy covering [like in the days of Noah] where it's a global event.

Again, I agree. Along with the easy understanding of simple language contained in the Gospels both relevant and contextual for all generations. 

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Knowing 70 A.D. was all about the igniting send off of the Gospel unto the World, proves preterism is incorrect.   They set off their position of John, the Revelator, to include these events, when John was aligning up with Matthew 24.   No doubt in 105 A.D. while John was serving in the Role of Bishop for the Church of Ephesus, John knew the 70 A.D. event was about the Gospel arising from the shadows of the Temple.   He was still seeing 35 years later the Gospel of Christ flourishing.   He first hand witnessed what God was doing and how connected the Church Body was.   He knew the words he wrote while at Patmos were about a Generation where people were greater in number, the world had completely changed from him in terms of modernizing, what he writes in some areas we easily align with physical objects of modern day like flying birds with fire could mean an air force at its finest.   

 

I am persuaded in my belief that 70 A.D. was about the Gospel being fully [Birthed].

It was never about "Tribulation and the majority of Matthew 24."

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4 minutes ago, Diaste said:

Again, I agree. Along with the easy understanding of simple language contained in the Gospels both relevant and contextual for all generations. 

Amen!

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18 minutes ago, Alive said:

On earth as it is in heaven.

Amen!

[Diaste]

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

You and Darby will be flying through the air as Spirit men at the same time, and Darby will be like, "I got that from Paul by the way, its called the Harpazo, and in the Latin Vulgate the Rapio, and finally in the English, its called the Catching away. So, I can't take credit for Paul's work"

Possibly. One wonders when that will happen. 

But, did it all begin with Darby or many centuries earlier? Was that part of the false storyline Paul was refuting in 2 Thess 2?

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7 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

I am persuaded in my belief that 70 A.D. was about the Gospel being fully [Birthed].

Or for sure removing any desperate clutching at a religion by destroying the fundamental icon of that religion, paving the way for Supreme Ascendancy of the Way, the Truth and the Life.

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1 hour ago, Diaste said:

Or for sure removing any desperate clutching at a religion by destroying the fundamental icon of that religion, paving the way for Supreme Ascendancy of the Way, the Truth and the Life.

Amen, the Reasons are clear for why 70 A.D. had to happen.   The killing of 2 birds with one stone has been presented brilliantly by God.   And none of it has to do with fulfilling the 70th Week!