What do you Believe

[His Ambassador]

Oh dear, His Ambassador, just when I was starting to enjoy your posts. The only ones to be left behind are like the ones who were left behind when the flood came, and the Lord rescued Noah and his family, the saved ones. The ones who were left behind, were the ones who became the victims of God's wrath. Only this time it wont be a flood (remember the rainbow) It's more likely to be radiation. Of course, like everyone else, that's only my opnion.

cheers,

eric.

This is an opinion based on the commonly taught "Rapture" theory. Not every Believer buys the "Rapture" theory.

I believe the Lord has revealed to me that when He returns it will be to establish His Millennial Kingdom not to take away the Body of Believers at that time. It will be the non-Believers who will be removed during the thousand year Kingdom.

[eric]

Sorry, HA, that I never made myself clear. I for one, do not buy into the rapture theory, not before the trib anyway. I believe in the resurrection of the saints, both the living and the dead immediately after the trib and prior to the pouring out of God's wrath.

in Him,

eric.

[Guest 831]

Hi All.

Here is your Little girl Rapture theory my friend.

Margaret MacDonald is not the mother of the pre-tribulation rapture.

I have visited just about every anti-rapture web site on the internet. One common point used on nearly every one of these sites to oppose the pretribulation doctrine is the claim that the rapture theory was started by a Scottish girl named Margaret MacDonald. Many critics of the rapture declare that MacDonald received her vision from demonic origins, and that she then passed on the message of that vision to infect the Church. Being a staunch pretribulationist, I'm at a loss to explain the connection between Margaret MacDonald and my beliefs in the rapture. I cannot recall ever hearing pre-trib prophetic speakers say, "I believe in the rapture because Margaret MacDonald told me so."

After reading and listening to a number of web sites, books, and radio programs that promote the idea that Margaret MacDonald started pretribulationism, I decided to look into the matter.

To be certain that I made no oversight, I searched through my library of prophecy books for references citing Margaret MacDonald as the founder of the rapture teaching. My hunt turned out to be in vain. It was like looking for the cartoon character "Where's Waldo." Only in this case, no Waldo was to be found.

If MacDonald was the founder of the pretribulation rapture, as most anti-rapture proponents say, then someone needs to explain why rapturists have failed to give her credit. You would expect to find dozens of books that expound upon her every word. From reading the writings of anti-rapture authors, one would think we pre-tribbers would be reverencing MacDonald as Catholics do Mary. But clearly we don't. Pre-tribbers don

[Guest 831]

Hi All.

Here is a little something else for you if you do not accept what I have posted in the other post a Little study for you to do, that if you do it you will see that what has been put here is the truth. Do not try to argue without doing the study that would be pointless & if you still will not have it after that well here is the link to about the best Messianic teacher alive today Dr Arnold Fruchtenbuam of Ariel Ministries the Link is http://www.ariel.org/ I hope that you go there, you will learn a lot from this man. He also has a

God Bless you all

831

What Is Imminency?

In doing some research on the doctrine of imminency, I noticed few people take the time to actually define what prophetic imminency means. First, let us look at the general definition of the key word

[Guest 831]

Hi All.

Here is a little something else for you if you do not accept what I have posted in the other post a Little study for you to do, that if you do it you will see that what has been put here is the truth. Do not try to argue without doing the study that would be pointless & if you still will not have it after that well here is the link to about the best Messianic teacher alive today Dr Arnold Fruchtenbuam of Ariel Ministries the Link is http://www.ariel.org/ I hope that you go there, you will learn a lot from this man. He also has a Q & A part on his site so if you are not sure about anything you can post him & he will give you the answer with all the proofs & facts & Biblical quotations that anyone could or would need.

God Bless you all

831

What Is Imminency?

In doing some research on the doctrine of imminency, I noticed few people take the time to actually define what prophetic imminency means. First, let us look at the general definition of the key word

[His Ambassador]

Hello 831:

Thanks for the info on the "Rapture"

I am not "anti-rapture". I believe there will be a "Rapture". But I also believe the commonly taught theory has the timing all screwed up. I also believe the followers of Jesus who are here when He returns to set up His kingdom will not go through the Great Tribulation which I believe occurs after His thousand year reign.

[penfold]

sorry

Not with you on this one. After the thousand year reign?

Where do you get that from?

I thought it was:

1) things are bad

2) christians taken up to wedding

3) tribulation

4) Jewish miracles of coming to faith

5) judgement

6) 1000 years of reign with christ (how the earth should have been)

7) During this time some will decome deceived.

8) God sorts them out and the deceiver once and for all.

[His Ambassador]

sorry

Not with you on this one. After the thousand year reign?

Where do you get that from?

I thought it was:

1) things are bad

2) christians taken up to wedding

3) tribulation

4) Jewish miracles of coming to faith

5) judgement

6) 1000 years of reign with christ (how the earth should have been)

7) During this time some will decome deceived.

8) God sorts them out and the deceiver once and for all.

That's the commonly taught theory but, if I understand what I believe the Lord has revealed to me, it is wrong. If you'd like to know what He has shown me PM or e-mail me. I'm not here to debate it with anyone. Whether or not you choose to accept it is up to you. It has nothing to do with salvation.

[Guest 831]

Hi All.

I must admit that I to am quite baffled as to what you are talking about with this Great Tribulation occurring after Christ's Thousand year reign. This is what the Bible says & it clearly says at the end of Rev 22: 18 - 21. for I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophesy of this book. If any man add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book, and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophesy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life & out of the holy city, and from the things that are written in this book, He that testifieth these things saith, surely I come quickly Amen. I will not put the rest as it is not really useful but this is what this book clearly says so for you to say that God has shown you something different, you my friend are adding to his book. I go off what the Bible tells me I go off what the Bible says & this is what it says my friend. If you have been given a revelation / Prophesy with regards to the end times you are under an obligation to get that word out to as many people as possible not to keep it to yourself & only tell people who contact you personally. Here again is another Bible study for anyone who thinks otherwise.

THE RAPTURE

An exciting event that is going to take place in the future is the RAPTURE. The Bible says:

For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. (1 THESSALONIANS 4:16-17)

There has been constant debate and controversy about when the Rapture takes place. There are many theories - Pre-Tribulation, Mid-Tribulation, Post-Tribulation, Partial Rapture, and Pre-Wrath Raptures of the Church. There are probably many more which stem from these theories but these five are the basic views. I hold the Pre-Tribulation Rapture view and I do so without reservation. Before I defend my convictions, let us define and examine all five views concisely.

Pre Tribulation Rapture = The Rapture will occur before the seven year tribulation

Mid Tribulation Rapture = The Rapture will occur midway into the seven year tribulation (after 3

[IreneM]

why does it matter??

it will either happen or it won't

if you are ready for anything then rest in the Lord

if you are waiting for the great snatch as some call it and it does not happen what then??

just trust the Lord to work it out in HIS time

me--- Well I am going to put my faith in the Lord and trust Him to help me no matter what happens and if He calls me home before it all takes place well them it is a moot point to me

don't get hung up on the when just be ready for the Whatever

in Christ

IreneM