What Caused the Big Bang?

[teddyv]

Those copy-pastes did not even address the point that the the Big Bang theory was proposed by a clergyman, and that the competing theory - Steady State - was the prevailing theory at the time.

[The Barbarian]

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EVIDENCE DISPROVING THE BIG BANG THEORY

Well, this should be interesting...

1 hour ago, HAZARD said:

1. Uranus and Venus rotate in the opposite direction to the other planets.

Actually, Uranus is tilted about 90%, but it doesn't rotate in the opposite direction.  Apparently, it took a pretty good hit early on in the solar system formation.  Apparently, the very dense atmosphere of Venus significantly affects the rotation of the planet.

Neither of these has anything whatever to do with the Big Bang.   In fact, it's not surprising that some objects in the solar system revolve in various ways.

1 hour ago, HAZARD said:

4. Our moon has a lower density than earth. If it was thrown out from earth, it’s density would be more.

No, that's a common misconception.  The Earth was struck, very early on, by a very large object.    It threw up a lot crust  and mantle material, some of which formed the moon.   This material is less dense than core material.   The moon's density is exactly what it should be.

1 hour ago, HAZARD said:

5. The sun’s angular momentum is 1/200th of the planets.

This small angular momentum makes it unlikely that the planets could be thrown out of the sun.

That's not surprising, either.    What we observe happening in early solar system formation, is material forming out in a disc well away from a forming star.

D.R. doesn't seem to know much about physics or astronomy. 

The rest is similarly wrong.    If you doubt it, pick the best one or two of the other stuff you tossed out, and we'll show you what science says about that, too.

 

 

Edited February 10, 2022 by The Barbarian

[HAZARD]

I believe what the Word of God teaches us about the creation of the heavens and the earth.

It is not only clear that God created the heavens, and the Earth and all things "In the beginning," or each in its own period , but it is also clear that God FORMED all things with His hands. God FORMED both light and darkness (Isa. 45:7). He did not do this in the first day of Gen. 1"3-5, for at that time He merely divided them. 

Therefore they must have been created and formed before the first day. It is also stated that God FORMED the Earth (Ps. 8:3, 6; 90:2; 95:5); the heavens (Ps. 8:3; 19:1; 102:25; Isa. 40:12) the planets (Ps. 8:3isa. 40:26; 44:12;  48:13; Heb. 1:10) and all things (Prov. 26:10).

From a study of all these Scriptures given above and those on the creation of all things, it is clear that by the Word of God the materials were brought into existence, and then by His hands He formed the materials into the various parts of the universe. That is, God spoke, the materials came into existence and as fast as they materialised He used them to form all things with His hands (Ps. 8:3; 2 Pet. 3:3-9. Prov. 26:10).

[HAZARD]

Heaven is a created place just like the Earth only a better country, as Scripture clearly teaches. No mention of a big bang here in these many Scritprues. Many Scriptures teach that Heaven is inhabited. (1 Kings 22:19; 2 Chron. 18:18; Matt.18:10; 22:30; 24:36; Rev. 12:12; 13:6).

Armies and hosts of Heaven are mentioned an number of times as seen in these passages and in Dan. 4:35; Luke 2:13; Rev. 19:14.

These inhabitants are listed in part as common angels, archangels, seraphim, cherubim and other spirit beings. Heavenly bodies are mentioned in 1 Cor. 15:48-49.

Rejoicing in Heaven is referred to by the inhabitants in Heaven (Ps. 96:11; 148:1, 4; Isa.44:23; Rev. 12:12). 8. Paul speaks of "the invisible things" in Heaven as being like the visible things on Earth; that is the things in Heaven are just like the things on Earth. (Rom. 1:20).

The word "things" is used in many passages in referring to realities in Heaven. (Phil. 2:10; Col 1:16-20; Heb. 8:12; 9:23). We know from Scripture that in Heaven there are Cities (Rev.21), mansions (John 14:1-3), trees, rivers (Rev.22:1-3), fountains of water (Rev. 7:17), food (Ex.16:4; Ps.78:25: 105:40; John 6:31-51: Luke 22:16, 18, 30; Rev. 2:7, 17: 19:1-10; 22:1-3).

Animals are mentioned as being in Heaven in these following Scriptures; (2 Kings 2:11-12; 6:13-17; Zech. 1:8-11: 6:1-8; Rev. 19:11-14, 21: Rom. 1:20).

All these things are mentioned as being in Heaven, furniture, tongs (Isa.6:6), fire and coals (Isa. 6:6; Rev.8:5) censer and incense (Rev. 8:4-6), smoke (Rev. 8:4; 15:8), musical instruments (Rev. 5:8; 14:1-5; 15:2-4), clothes (Dan. 7:9; Rev. 1:13; 6:9-11), stones (Rev. 2:17), books (Rev. 3:5; 5:1-7; 10:1-11; 20:11-15),

Also mentioned in Scripture are things that are here on Earth such as, vials or bowls, crowns, thunderings, lightnings, clouds, lamps, a sea of glass, singing, worship, palm trees, temples, silence, so there must also be noise at other times, trumpets, hail, mountains, keys and chains, measuring sticks, olive trees, the ark of the testament, doors, posts, girdles, pearls, diamonds and other precious stones, walls, gates, gold in abundance, streets, fruits, banquets, and many other innumerable things.

If the invisible things in the heavenlies are clearly seen by the things on Earth, as Paul taught in Rom. 1:20, then we have a right to believe that there are in Heaven the same kind of things that we have on Earth. We have no right to make an exception of any good thing that God created and intended for man to have before the fall.

[The Barbarian]

5 hours ago, HAZARD said:

It is not only clear that God created the heavens, and the Earth and all things "In the beginning," or each in its own period , but it is also clear that God FORMED all things with His hands.

That's not in scripture.   In fact, God is a spirit, and as Jesus taught us, a spirit has no body.

 

[HAZARD]

1 hour ago, The Barbarian said:

That's not in scripture.   In fact, God is a spirit, and as Jesus taught us, a spirit has no body.

 

Psalms 8:3, When I consider thy heavens, THE WORK OF THY FINGERS, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; 

Proverbs 26: 10, The great God that formed all things  both rewardeth the fool, and rewardeth transgressors.

 

We are exact
replicas of God only mortal. God said, "And God said, Let us make man in our
image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea,
and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and
over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." (Gen. 1:26).



I believe what read in God's Word, teaches us that God has a body with bodily
parts, hands, feet, eyes, head, mouth, hair, that He speaks, listenes, has a
heart, eats food etc. I have listed many Scriptures which shows this and many
more can be found. Many catholics I have spoken with regarding these Scriptures
do not believe them because it is contrary to their belief that God can be
reduced to a sliver of bread and held in a monstrance or tabernacle.



God has a spirit body with bodily parts like a man. This is proved by hundreds
of Scriptures that do not need interpretation. God is a Spirit being, infinate,
eternal, immutable, self-existent, omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent,
invisible, impartial, immortal, absolutely holy, full of wisdom, full of
knowledge, and just in all things. God is known in Scripture by over two
hundred names. He is describes as being like any other person as to having a
body, soul, and spirit (Job 13:8; Heb. 1:3; Dan. 7:9-14;
10:5-7). He is a spirit being with a body (Dan. 7:9-14;
10:5-6, 9-19, Exodus 24:11; Gen. 18' 32:24-32;
Ezek. 1:26-28; Acts 7:54-59; Rev. 4:2-4; 5:1,
5-7; 22:4-5); shape (John 5:37); form
(Phil. 2:5-7, same Greek word as in Mark 16:12, which
refers to bodily form); and an image and likeness of a man (Gen. 1:26; 9:6;
Ezek. 1:26-28; 1 Cor. 11:7; jas.
3:9; Dan. 7:9-14;
10:5-6).



He has a heart (Gen. 6:6; 8:21);
hands and fingers (Exod. 31:18; Psalms 8:3-6; Rev. 5:1, 6-7);
Nostrils (Ps. 18:8); mouth (Num. 12:8); lips
and tongue (Isa. 30:27; feet
(Ezek. 1:27; Exodus 24:10);
eyes, eyelids, sight (Ps. 11:4; 18:24;
33:18); voice (Ps. 29; Rev. 10:3-4; Gen. 1); breath (Gen. 2:70; ears (Ps. 18:6); head,
hair, face, arms (Dan. 7:9-14;
10:5-19; Rev. 5:1; loins
(Ezek. 1:26:28; 8:1-4); bodily presence (Gen. 3:8; 18:1-22;
Job 1:6-12; 2:1-7;
Exodus 24:10-11);
and many other bodily parts as required by Him to be a person with a body.



God goes from place to place just like any one else (Gen. 3:8; 11:5;
18:1-22, 33; 19:24; 32:24-32; 35:13; Zech. 14:5; Titus 2:13). God
is omnipresent but not omni body, that is His presence can be felt everywhere
but His body is not everywhere. God wears cloths (Dan. 7:9-14;
10:5-19; God eats food (Gen. 18:1-22; Exodus 24:11).



There is not one Scripture in the Bible which states that God is intangible,
immaterial, without a body, or bodily parts, and passions except John 4:24,
"God is a spirit," and this certainly does not teach that He is
without a body.



Paul speaks of the human flesh and bone bodies in the resurrection as being
"Spiritual" (1 Cor. 15:42-44),
like unto Christs glorious body (Luke 24:39; Phil.
3:20-21); so if human bodies that become spiritualized are still material and
tangible, then certainly God and other spirits have bodies just as real and
still be spirit beings. John 4:24 is a
statement of fact that God is a Spirit, but it does not define or analyze a
spirit.



Turn to Genesis, chapter one. God had been busy for a number of days during
that re-creation week, making various CREATURES of the land, sea, and air.
Nothing is said about them having the form of God Himself. After all those
creatures were created notice what God says in verses 26,27, "....Let us
MAKE MAN in OUR IMAGE, after OUR LIKENESS.. ..So God created MAN in His OWN
IMAGE, in the IMAGE OF GOD created he him; male and female...."

 

**************************************************************************************

Right at the very beginning of the Bible, the Eternal God tells us that He
created mankind in, not the likeness or image of the angels or any other spirit
being, but He formed and gave mankind the IMAGE or LIKENESS of HIMSELF. God
took the dirt of the ground and molded the shape and form of man from it to
resemble the image or shape of very GOD.

God first revealed Himself in a mighty way to Moses from the burning bush. From
that time on the Eternal and Moses were friends with a "buddy-buddy"
relationship. This relationship between the Lord and Moses was so personal that
it is recorded, "And the Lord spoke unto Moses FACE to FACE, as a man
speaks unto a friend...."(Ex.33:11). Now our "no body" for God
teachers will say either this is just a metaphor or God appeared as a human,
but when in the "spirit" He has no body or face. Of course that is
the answer they will give to any section of scripture where God appeared to
men. But there was a time when God appeared to Moses IN THE SPIRIT FORM - the
Lord opening up his eyes to see Himself in the spirit dimension, that the human eye can not usually see, Read the example of the servant of Elisha in 2 Kings 6.

So close a relationship did Moses have with God that Moses was so bold as to
ask the Lord to show Himself to him, not as a human but as He really IS. Moses'
request is found in Exodus 33:18.
Notice the reply from the Eternal: "....You can not SEE MY FACE; for no
man can see me and

live."(verse 20). God did not say to Moses that He did not have a body and
so did not have a face and so could not show Himself in the spirit form as
having a shape. To the CONTRARY, the answer to Moses SHOWS CLEARLY GOD DOES
HAVE A FACE AND BODY! He told Moses that no man could look upon the face of God
in spirit form and live. How simpler can the word of God be in this matter? No
theological degree needed to understand this verse, just believe it for what it
says. In Exodus 33 18, Moses asked God to show him His Glory. "And he
said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory." And God said to Moses; "I
will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the
Lord before thee; etc. God also said to Moses, "Thou canst not see my
face; for there shall no man see me and live." Exodus 33:18-20.

Moses asked to see God's glory as expressed in His face or countenance, not to
see His face apart from His glory. That Moses could have seen God's literal
face is clearly stated in verse 11, where it says, "And the Lord spake
unto Moses face to face as a man speaketh unto his friend, and that he had seen
Gods glory in a limited sense is clear from Exodus 16:10; and 24:17; so the
request was for something he had not uet seen. Many others have also seen Gods
face and spirit body apart from the glory of God.

Regarding the impossibility of man beholding the face of God when He
"dwells in a light whom no man has seen nor can see" (1 Tim. 6:16,
Moses became an example of this himself when his face could not be looked upon
by the people, Israel, because of its brightness (Exodus 34:29-35; and 2 Cor.
3:6-18). God showed Moses His glory as expressed in His back parts, or the
glorious after effects and glimpse of the glory after it had passed by (Verse
20-23). God gave Moses a further revelation of His character and infinate
nature in, (Verse 19). The Hebrew word for goodness is "tuwb,"
superlative good; the best of a person; and absolute beauty. This referes to
the infinate beauty or glory of God which was to pass before Moses while he was
hidden in the cleft of the rock (Verse 22).
 

Jacob saw God FACE TO FACE and lived! "And Jacob called the name of the
place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved"
(Gen. 32:30). Abraham made a dinner for God and two angels and they ate food
(Gen. 18). Moses talked with God face to face (Exodus 33:11-23). Seventy four
elders had a banquet with God in Sinai (Exodus 24:9-11). Joshua and all Israel
saw God with a sword in His hand (Josh. 5:13-15).
 

Gidion (Judg. 6:11-23), Manoah and wife (Judg. 13:3-23), David (1 Chron.
21:16-17), Job (42:5), Isaiah (6:1-13), Amos (9:1), and others saw God standing
on the ground, sitting on thrones, and having a body with bodily parts like a
man. Ezekiel saw God on a chariot and described Him as having an
"appearance of a man" with loins and the upper and lower parts of a
body like a man (Ezek 1:26-28; 10:1, 20; 40:3). Daniel saw both God the Father
and the Son of man as two separate beiongs at the same time and at the same
place. God was on a throne, and had on white cloths, and His hair was white.
The Son of man also had a body, had cloths on, and had hair on His head (Dan.
7:9-14; 10:5-6). Stephen saw both God and Christ at the same time and place
with the same eyes (Acts 7:56-59).

God does have a body. 
We are exact replicas of God only mortal. God said, "And God said, Let us make man in our
image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea,
and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and
over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." (Gen. 1:26).

I believe what read in God's Word, teaches us that God has a body with bodily
parts, hands, feet, eyes, head, mouth, hair, that He speaks, listenes, has a
heart, eats food etc. I have listed many Scriptures which shows this and many
more can be found. Many catholics I have spoken with regarding these Scriptures
do not believe them because it is contrary to their belief that God can be
reduced to a sliver of bread and held in a monstrance or tabernacle.

God has a spirit body with bodily parts like a man. This is proved by hundreds
of Scriptures that do not need interpretation. God is a Spirit being, infinate,
eternal, immutable, self-existent, omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent,
invisible, impartial, immortal, absolutely holy, full of wisdom, full of
knowledge, and just in all things. God is known in Scripture by over two
hundred names. He is describes as being like any other person as to having a
body, soul, and spirit (Job 13:8; Heb. 1:3; Dan. 7:9-14;
10:5-7). He is a spirit being with a body (Dan. 7:9-14;
10:5-6, 9-19, Exodus 24:11; Gen. 18' 32:24-32;
Ezek. 1:26-28; Acts 7:54-59; Rev. 4:2-4; 5:1,
5-7; 22:4-5); shape (John 5:37); form
(Phil. 2:5-7, same Greek word as in Mark 16:12, which
refers to bodily form); and an image and likeness of a man (Gen. 1:26; 9:6;
Ezek. 1:26-28; 1 Cor. 11:7; jas.
3:9; Dan. 7:9-14;
10:5-6).
He has a heart (Gen. 6:6; 8:21);
hands and fingers (Exod. 31:18; Psalms 8:3-6; Rev. 5:1, 6-7);
Nostrils (Ps. 18:8); mouth (Num. 12:8); lips
and tongue (Isa. 30:27; feet
(Ezek. 1:27; Exodus 24:10);
eyes, eyelids, sight (Ps. 11:4; 18:24;
33:18); voice (Ps. 29; Rev. 10:3-4; Gen. 1); breath (Gen. 2:70; ears (Ps. 18:6); head,
hair, face, arms (Dan. 7:9-14;
10:5-19; Rev. 5:1; loins
(Ezek. 1:26:28; 8:1-4); bodily presence (Gen. 3:8; 18:1-22;
Job 1:6-12; 2:1-7;
Exodus 24:10-11);
and many other bodily parts as required by Him to be a person with a body.



God goes from place to place just like any one else (Gen. 3:8; 11:5;
18:1-22, 33; 19:24; 32:24-32; 35:13; Zech. 14:5; Titus 2:13). God
is omnipresent but not omni body, that is His presence can be felt everywhere
but His body is not everywhere. God wears cloths (Dan. 7:9-14;
10:5-19; God eats food (Gen. 18:1-22; Exodus 24:11).



There is not one Scripture in the Bible which states that God is intangible,
immaterial, without a body, or bodily parts, and passions except John 4:24,
"God is a spirit," and this certainly does not teach that He is
without a body.



Paul speaks of the human flesh and bone bodies in the resurrection as being
"Spiritual" (1 Cor. 15:42-44),
like unto Christs glorious body (Luke 24:39; Phil.
3:20-21); so if human bodies that become spiritualized are still material and
tangible, then certainly God and other spirits have bodies just as real and
still be spirit beings. John 4:24 is a
statement of fact that God is a Spirit, but it does not define or analyze a
spirit.



Turn to Genesis, chapter one. God had been busy for a number of days during
that re-creation week, making various CREATURES of the land, sea, and air.
Nothing is said about them having the form of God Himself. After all those
creatures were created notice what God says in verses 26,27, "....Let us
MAKE MAN in OUR IMAGE, after OUR LIKENESS.. ..So God created MAN in His OWN
IMAGE, in the IMAGE OF GOD created he him; male and female created He them.

Right at the very beginning of the Bible, the Eternal God tells us that He
created mankind in, not the likeness or image of the angels or any other spirit
being, but He formed and gave mankind the IMAGE or LIKENESS of HIMSELF. God
took the dirt of the ground and molded the shape and form of man from it to
resemble the image or shape of very GOD.

God first revealed Himself in a mighty way to Moses from the burning bush. From
that time on the Eternal and Moses were friends with a "buddy-buddy"
relationship. This relationship between the Lord and Moses was so personal that
it is recorded, "And the Lord spoke unto Moses FACE to FACE, as a man
speaks unto a friend...."(Ex.33:11). Now our "no body" for God
teachers will say either this is just a metaphor or God appeared as a human,
but when in the "spirit" He has no body or face. Of course that is
the answer they will give to any section of scripture where God appeared to
men. But there was a time when God appeared to Moses IN THE SPIRIT FORM - the
Lord opening up his eyes to see Himself in the spirit dimension, that the human
eye can not usually see, Read the example of the servant of Elisha in 2 Kings 6.

So close a relationship did Moses have with God that Moses was so bold as to
ask the Lord to show Himself to him, not as a human but as He really IS. Moses'
request is found in Exodus 33:18.
Notice the reply from the Eternal: "....You can not SEE MY FACE; for no man can see me and
live."(verse 20). God did not say to Moses that He did not have a body and
so did not have a face and so could not show Himself in the spirit form as
having a shape. To the CONTRARY, the answer to Moses SHOWS CLEARLY GOD DOES
HAVE A FACE AND BODY! He told Moses that no man could look upon the face of God
in spirit form and live. How simpler can the word of God be in this matter? No
theological degree needed to understand this verse, just believe it for what it
says. In Exodus 33 18, Moses asked God to show him His Glory. "And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory." And God said to Moses; "I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; etc. God also said to Moses, "Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." Exodus 33:18-20.

Moses asked to see God's glory as expressed in His face or countenance, not to see His face apart from His glory. That Moses could have seen God's literal face is clearly stated in verse 11, where it says, "And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face as a man speaketh unto his friend, and that he had seen Gods glory in a limited sense is clear from Exodus 16:10; and 24:17; so the request was for something he had not uet seen. Many others have also seen Gods face and spirit body apart from the glory of God.
 

Regarding the impossibility of man beholding the face of God when He "dwells in a light whom no man has seen nor can see" (1 Tim. 6:16, Moses became an example of this himself when his face could not be looked upon by the people, Israel, because of its brightness (Exodus 34:29-35; and 2 Cor. 3:6-18). God showed Moses His glory as expressed in His back parts, or the glorious after effects and glimpse of the glory after it had passed by (Verse 20-23). God gave Moses a further revelation of His character and infinate
nature in, (Verse 19). The Hebrew word for goodness is "tuwb," superlative good; the best of a person; and absolute beauty. This referes to the infinate beauty or glory of God which was to pass before Moses while he was hidden in the cleft of the rock (Verse 22).

Jacob saw God FACE TO FACE and lived! "And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved" (Gen. 32:30). Abraham made a dinner for God and two angels and they ate food.
(Gen. 18). Moses talked with God face to face (Exodus 33:11-23). Seventy four elders had a banquet with God in Sinai (Exodus 24:9-11). Joshua and all Israel
 saw God with a sword in His hand (Josh. 5:13-15).
 Gidion (Judg. 6:11-23), Manoah and wife (Judg. 13:3-23), David (1 Chron. 21:16-17), Job (42:5), Isaiah (6:1-13), Amos (9:1), and others saw God standing on the ground, sitting on thrones, and having a body with bodily parts like a man. Ezekiel saw God on a chariot and described Him as having an "appearance of a man" with loins and the upper and lower parts of a body like a man (Ezek 1:26-28; 10:1, 20; 40:3). Daniel saw both God the Father
and the Son of man as two separate beiongs at the same time and at the same place. God was on a throne, and had on white cloths, and His hair was white.
The Son of man also had a body, had cloths on, and had hair on His head (Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-6). Stephen saw both God and Christ at the same time and place with the same eyes (Acts 7:56-59).

[HAZARD]

1 hour ago, The Barbarian said:

That's not in scripture.   In fact, God is a spirit, and as Jesus taught us, a spirit has no body.

 

Spirit beings do have bodies/

Heb 13:2, Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares. 

[toocoolblue]

8 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

No, that's a common misconception.  The Earth was struck, very early on, by a very large object.    It threw up a lot crust  and mantle material, some of which formed the moon.   This material is less dense than core material.   The moon's density is exactly what it should be.

 

That's not surprising, either.    What we observe happening in early solar system formation, is material forming out in a disc well away from a forming star.

D.R. doesn't seem to know much about physics or astronomy. 

The rest is similarly wrong.    If you doubt it, pick the best one or two of the other stuff you tossed out, and we'll show you what science says about that, too.

 

 

There are common misconceptions about the Moon's density? That's news to me. I've never thought twice about the moon's density and I doubt most people have either. Much less have any misconceptions about it.

But you speak as if you are an authority. Did you measure the Moon's density? Did someone else? What techniques were used, can they be trusted?

You say everything is exactly as it should be, but is there any evidence to back up your claims?

Personally, I find the whole fairy tale absurd. None of it checks out. None of the math adds up. None of the facts support the theories which are being taught as if they are indisputably proven fact, even though every test, every conducted, proves they are wrong.

A perfect example of NASA at work -

The moon rocks brought back in the 70's had a mystery, how could they have been made in the presence of a magnetic field?  If the whole Giant Impact/Theia fairy tale is true, this shouldn't be possible.

Here NASA explains that the moon and earth shared a combined magnetic field.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/earth-and-moon-once-shared-a-magnetic-shield-protecting-their-atmospheres

Here scientists explain that the moon never had a strong magnetic field. They just measured the moon rocks wrong.

https://theconversation.com/moon-lacked-a-magnetic-field-for-nearly-all-its-history-new-research-resolves-mystery-sparked-by-rocks-brought-back-on-apollo-163243

So which is it? Ask a so-called 'scientist' the answer is both. Whatever they need to justify their foregone conclusion is correct. Any result they find proves they were right all along. Were the moon rocks formed with or without a magnetic field? Answer - Doesn't matter, either way, we were right all along.

Another example -

The age of the earth. How do we know it? The US Geologic Survey tells us. -

The oldest Moon rocks are from the lunar highlands and were formed when the early lunar crust was partially or entirely molten. These rocks, of which only a few were returned by the Apollo missions, have been dated by two methods at between 4.4-4.5 billion years in age.

Great...but is that what the tests really revealed?

In the nine papers published by the scientists NASA hand picked to study and date the first lunar rocks and thus date the Earth.

Vast differences in ages were recorded for the same samples in the papers.

Lunar Sample # 10017 was reported to have 19 different ages.

But my favorite, was Lunar Sample #10084 which was determined to be 8.2 billion years old and 4.6 billion years old.

To quote from - Age determinations and isotopic abundance measurements on lunar samples. Wanless RK, Loveridge WD, Stevens RD.

…an extremely discordant age pattern ranging from 4670 m.y. for the 207Pb/206Pb ratio to 8200 m.y. for the 208Pb/232Th ratio is found….

https://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1970GeCAS...1.1729W/0001735.000.html

Another example of how facts are changed to produce results....

As noted, our results were CORRECTED to account for the blank determined with the extraction and hence any modern lead component must in fact represent a CONTAMINANT in our sample.

TATSUMOTO and ROSHOLT (1970) pre-treated their samples by washing in double-distilled acetone but this was not done in our laboratory since, as stated at the outset, WE WISHED TO OBTAIN DATA FOR THE ESSENTIALLY UNALTERED LUNAR MATERIAL.

While the modification to the lead isotope values served to bring the Pb-Pb and Pb-U ages into general accord the Pb-Th remained discordantly high near 6.9 BILLION YEARS.

https://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?bibcode=1970GeCAS...1.1729W&db_key=AST&page_ind=7&plate_select=NO&data_type=GIF&type=SCREEN_GIF&classic=YES

You see it doesn't matter what the tests truly proved. They alter, distort, pervert and destroy the data to see what they want to see. When this doesn't work, they simply ignore the results.

Rule No.1 - We are always right.

Rule No.2 - If we are proven wrong, see Rule No.1.

What have our tests really proved?

 

Planet Formation theory failed -

Three Theories of Planet Formation Busted, Expert Says

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/110222-planets-formation-theory-busted-earth-science-space

Why all we knew about planets is wrong

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20130919-solving-a-planet-sized-problem

Astronomy: Planets in chaos

https://www.nature.com/articles/511022a

 

Star Formation theory failed -

New research undermines star formation theories

https://www.upi.com/Science_News/2018/05/01/New-research-undermines-star-formation-theories/4681525189827/

Star-forming theory thrown into question

https://cosmosmagazine.com/space/star-forming-theory-thrown-into-question/

The Big Problems in Star Formation: the Star Formation Rate, Stellar Clustering, and the Initial Mass Function

https://arxiv.org/abs/1402.0867

Mystery Deepens Over Where Sun Was Born

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/120117-sun-solar-system-born-stars-m67-space-science

 

Moon Formation Theory failed -

Study crashes main Moon-formation theory

https://phys.org/news/2017-01-main-moon-formation-theory.html

Origin of the moon called into question by groundbreaking new study

https://www.rt.com/news/420210-origin-moon-study-synestia/

 

Solar System Formation Theory failed -

Leading Theory For How The Solar System Formed Just Disproved! 

https://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2015/11/03/leading-theory-for-how-the-solar-system-formed-just-disproved-synopsis

Death Spiral: Why Theorists Can’t Make Solar Systems

https://www.space.com/2206-death-spiral-theorists-cant-solar-systems.html

New Discovery Casts Doubt on How The Solar System Formed

https://www.sciencealert.com/everything-we-think-about-the-formation-of-the-solar-system-might-be-wrong

 

Universe Formation Theory failed -

CERN Research Finds “The Universe Should Not Actually Exist”

https://futurism.com/cern-research-finds-the-universe-should-not-actually-exist

Scientists Have Concluded That The Universe Shouldn't Really Exist

https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-have-concluded-that-the-universe-shouldn-t-really-exist

 

None of it matters, they were right all along.

 

[The Barbarian]

8 hours ago, toocoolblue said:

There are common misconceptions about the Moon's density?

Yes. Yours, for example is that the moon is less dense than it should be.  In fact, it's precisely as dense as it should be if it was formed from the debris of the Earth colliding with a mars-sized object.

8 hours ago, toocoolblue said:

But you speak as if you are an authority. Did you measure the Moon's density?

Not hard to do.  All you need is the orbital data, which is relatively easy to get, and Newton's theory.

8 hours ago, toocoolblue said:

You say everything is exactly as it should be,

I did?   (Barbarian checks) Nope.  Just pointed out that the density of the moon nicely fits the other evidence.

8 hours ago, toocoolblue said:

Personally, I find the whole fairy tale absurd.

That's the thing about reality.   It doesn't care what we think.

8 hours ago, toocoolblue said:

Vast differences in ages were recorded for the same samples in the papers.

You should have actually read the paper.  Go to the last page and read the conclusions.   The excess argon in breccia samples turned out to have been contamination by solar wind on a moon essentially without an atmosphere. 

All that other foolishness is similarly quote-mined to fool you.   Read it all, and you'll be harder to fool next time.

8 hours ago, toocoolblue said:

Study crashes main Moon-formation theory

So the evidence suggests that the moon was formed by several hits instead of one.  Doesn't sound like much of a problem for  the Big Bang, does it?  BTW, that finding is based on the fact that the moon's composition is very much like the composition of the Earth's crust and mantle.   Presumably, because if it was a Mars-sized object, a good deal of that body's material would be part of the moon.   The kicker here, is that such material would also become part of the Earth's crust and mantle.    Ooops.

As much fun as Gish Galloping is, maybe you should take the time to find a few cases that actually support your beliefs, and present them.   By now, you're probably realizing that the guys who gave you that stuff don't really read it very well, themselves.   But then, they aren't around for the debunking, are they?

 

Edited February 11, 2022 by The Barbarian
left out mantle

[The Barbarian]

4 hours ago, HAZARD said:

Spirit beings do have bodies/

Well, let's take a look at God's opinion:  

Luke 24:39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.

I'll go with His opinion.  You should, too.