What Caused the Big Bang?

[Charlie744]

Just now, OneLight said:

In the beginning God ... Genesis 1:1 opening statement

So right! I really don’t understand why folks don’t accept this ... I guess the only possible reason is they do not believe in God! Charlie 

[teddyv]

Big Bang created time. Time is an intrinsic component of the universe. Hence the term space-time.

 

[Charlie744]

8 minutes ago, teddyv said:

Big Bang created time. Time is an intrinsic component of the universe. Hence the term space-time.

 

I did not realize you were serious!  

Rather than talk about time / space / Big Bang / the buggy man / aliens / Santa Claus... you get my point, why don’t you believe in the Bible- especially, “In the beginning, God....”? Now that is something worthy of our time! Charlie 

[teddyv]

 

46 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

I did not realize you were serious!  

Rather than talk about time / space / Big Bang / the buggy man / aliens / Santa Claus... you get my point, why don’t you believe in the Bible- especially, “In the beginning, God....”? Now that is something worthy of our time! Charlie 

I try not to be too serious most of the time. I believe in Creation. We differ in the "how". It's not a matter of belief or unbelief in the Bible itself. The idea of the Big Bang comports quite well theologically. It implies a beginning of the universe and the created order i.e., "In the beginning, God..."

[Charlie744]

25 minutes ago, teddyv said:

 

I try not to be too serious most of the time. I believe in Creation. We differ in the "how". It's not a matter of belief or unbelief in the Bible itself. The idea of the Big Bang comports quite well theologically. It implies a beginning of the universe and the created order i.e., "In the beginning, God..."

Thank you! Well, we can think about how or when everything was created, but it is senseless (my opinion). There is absolutely no way we could possibly understand how God created matter, space or time. He simple told us that He spoke everything into existence... He simply had to say “be” and it was ! No need for a Big Bang where things took time moving billions of light years into place. That is our mind trying to understand how it could happen given our limited knowledge and ability. It might be like an ant attempting to consider how things work- never going to happen! 

God just told everything to “be”. He told Lazarus to come forth or “be” again and he was- that was it, nothing else was needed. He told the sea to “be still”, and it was. No need to wait around for the waves to slow down or calm down- it simply was!

There was absolutely nothing that was outside of God and where He was / is. Then, He spoke and immediately, suddenly, completely everything was... including time. Nothing had to grow or travel or move billions of light years to “be” as it is ... He made it “be” and it was, and He gave everything its own characteristics and rules to obey at the same time. 

In the beginning... means trust me... don’t try to figure this out...I don’t need any scientists, or engineers or whatever! You will never need those things unless you choose to disobey me and you will have to leave me here in this place (Eden). 

Just my opinion, Charlie 

[teddyv]

16 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Thank you! Well, we can think about how or when everything was created, but it is senseless (my opinion). There is absolutely no way we could possibly understand how God created matter, space or time. He simple told us that He spoke everything into existence... He simply had to say “be” and it was ! No need for a Big Bang where things took time moving billions of light years into place. That is our mind trying to understand how it could happen given our limited knowledge and ability. It might be like an ant attempting to consider how things work- never going to happen! 

God just told everything to “be”. He told Lazarus to come forth or “be” again and he was- that was it, nothing else was needed. He told the sea to “be still”, and it was. No need to wait around for the waves to slow down or calm down- it simply was!

There was absolutely nothing that was outside of God and where He was / is. Then, He spoke and immediately, suddenly, completely everything was... including time. Nothing had to grow or travel or move billions of light years to “be” as it is ... He made it “be” and it was, and He gave everything its own characteristics and rules to obey at the same time. 

Well, the Big Bang theory sort of says everything was created in an instantaneous moment - sure, not like trees and whales and people just popped out - but everything that was ever needed was formed. The billions of years simply flows from actual quantifiable observations and measurements made in various streams of scientific inquiry.

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In the beginning... means trust me... don’t try to figure this out...I don’t need any scientists, or engineers or whatever! You will never need those things unless you choose to disobey me and you will have to leave me here in this place (Eden). 

I'm not sure what to make of that statement considering I have a degree in geology and work in that field (a branch of science, although we might accurately considered applied science). I'm not sure how that means I choose disobedience??

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Just my opinion, Charlie 

True enough.

Edited January 23, 2021 by teddyv
clarity

[Charlie744]

17 minutes ago, teddyv said:

Well, the Big Bang theory sort of says everything was created in an instantaneous moment - sure, not like trees and whales and people just popped out - but everything that was ever needed was formed. The billions of years simply flows from actual quantifiable observations and measurements made in various streams of scientific inquiry.

I'm not sure what to make of that statement considering I have a degree in geology and work in that field (a branch of science, although we might accurately considered applied science). I'm not sure how that means I choose disobedience??

True enough.

Thanks again for your comments and it is always a pleasure speaking with folks that have a scientific background and education - things I do NOT possess!

I believe it is necessary for me to improve my response on this and clear things up.... not too uncommon for me within this forum. Consequently, here goes:

1) I would like to use Adam as a perfect (for me) example  - Perhaps when God took the dust of the earth and formed Adam, He made him into a man that MIGHT be around 25 years old. There certainly is no foundation for this but it should not be too unreasonable to make this statement. But whatever his actual age, God gave him all the physical characteristics of a fully, healthy grown man. If we were to walk by him at the time I would bet we would look upon him as a young, healthy man and would NOT expect anyone to accept he was only a few minutes, a few months, or a few years old. He probably needed to shave each morning. 

I believe this is exactly what happened when God created everything - He imputed all the characteristics of the universe, the earth, the mountains, etc. So the Grand Canyon would have all the characteristics and appearance of some 4 billion or so years of becoming what they are today... but for me, God gave them all they would need  - just like Adam. Now, this does not mean that things or any things will not continue .. if fact, they will continue in whatever characteristics God imputed into them - just as Adam had or would continue to grow, but all of this will  / would continue for only 6,000 or so years and not some 13 or so billion years.

Also, when Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave, He simply called him back into existence... "Lazarus come forth".... or just "be again". When Jesus was in the boat and the seas were terrible, He simply told them to "stop or calm down". There was no gradual cessation of the waves where they just slowed down or the winds slowly diminished - He told them and it "was"....

God speaks and it "is" whether it is a universe, the earth, the wind or a human being. On this side of heaven there is time, with God there is no such thing as time.... It is or it will be! 

Hope some of this makes sense regarding the characteristics of all things - mountains, canyons, continents, planets, solar systems. etc., God has placed our DNA within us and He has also placed the DNA in everything He created at the time of their creation.

Thanks, Charlie

 

[Michael37]

On 1/20/2021 at 4:23 PM, JohnD said:

I have sat amazed at the explanation of brilliant men and women

how we cannot determine what the cause was or if there was a cause

based on their claim that time did not exist until the event itself.

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it a physical law that an effect

has to have a cause?

The Origin of the Big Bang Theory:

Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître (/ləˈmɛtrə/ lə-MET-rə; French: [ʒɔʁʒ ləmɛːtʁ]; 17 July 1894 – 20 June 1966) was a Belgian Catholic priest, mathematician, astronomer, and professor of physics at the Catholic University of Louvain.^[1] He was the first to theorize that the recession of nearby galaxies can be explained by an expanding universe,^[2] which was observationally confirmed soon afterwards by Edwin Hubble.^[3][4] He first derived "Hubble's law", now called the Hubble–Lemaître law by the IAU,^[5][6] and published the first estimation of the Hubble constant in 1927, two years before Hubble's article.^{[7][8][9][10]} Lemaître also proposed the "Big Bang theory" of the origin of the universe, calling it the "hypothesis of the primeval atom",^[11] and later calling it "the beginning of the world".^{[12]  [Source: George Lemaitre & Big Bang Theory ]}

 

You could say the there is no sound evidence that a Big Bang actually accompanied the creation of the Universe. 

[BeyondET]

9 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Thank you! Well, we can think about how or when everything was created, but it is senseless (my opinion). There is absolutely no way we could possibly understand how God created matter, space or time. He simple told us that He spoke everything into existence... He simply had to say “be” and it was ! No need for a Big Bang where things took time moving billions of light years into place. That is our mind trying to understand how it could happen given our limited knowledge and ability. It might be like an ant attempting to consider how things work- never going to happen! 

God just told everything to “be”. He told Lazarus to come forth or “be” again and he was- that was it, nothing else was needed. He told the sea to “be still”, and it was. No need to wait around for the waves to slow down or calm down- it simply was!

There was absolutely nothing that was outside of God and where He was / is. Then, He spoke and immediately, suddenly, completely everything was... including time. Nothing had to grow or travel or move billions of light years to “be” as it is ... He made it “be” and it was, and He gave everything its own characteristics and rules to obey at the same time. 

In the beginning... means trust me... don’t try to figure this out...I don’t need any scientists, or engineers or whatever! You will never need those things unless you choose to disobey me and you will have to leave me here in this place (Eden). 

Just my opinion, Charlie 

No way we could possibly understand huh.. 

Jeremiah 33:3

'Call to me, and I will answer you, and will show you great and hidden things, which you do not know.'

Edited January 23, 2021 by BeyondET

[Charlie744]

4 hours ago, BeyondET said:

No way we could possibly understand huh.. 

Jeremiah 33:3

'Call to me, and I will answer you, and will show you great and hidden things, which you do not know.'

Well said! I would now like it very much if you would explain everything- maybe you can start with how He created man using  just the dust of the earth ..... and  without Adam getting dirt in his mouth or ears ... he didn’t even get any dirt on him?

Charlie