Does anyone know what the double slit experiment is? It might be pointing out that there is something greater than us.

[pittsburghjoe]

Do you think a spiritual being in a spiritual universe has any idea they are not physical?

Interference patterns are proof of God. God is all possible paths of the EM Vector Field ..Light. Interference requires all possible paths to taken same time, virtually. We know this happens because we can get the pattern sending one wave at a time.

This physical reality of the fallen is an infinite sum of local waves. Disorder.

 

Edited January 23, 2021 by Alive
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[LearningToLetGo]

Anything that brings you to God...

Be careful with tools. A hammer starts off as useful tool to drive nails but it's easy to fall into the "all problems are nails" trap. :-)

 

[other one]

12 minutes ago, LearningToLetGo said:

Anything that brings you to God...

Be careful with tools. A hammer starts off as useful tool to drive nails but it's easy to fall into the "all problems are nails" trap. :-)

 

and ends up with the, "You can fix anything with a hammer" process.

[GandalfTheWise]

8 hours ago, pittsburghjoe said:

Do you think a spiritual being in a spiritual universe has any idea they are not physical?

Interference patterns are proof of God. God is all possible paths of the EM Vector Field ..Light. Interference requires all possible paths to taken same time, virtually. We know this happens because we can get the pattern sending one wave at a time.

This physical reality of the fallen is an infinite sum of local waves. Disorder.

FYI, per site policy, videos are not allowed in threads such as this one.  There is a separate section for posting videos where they will be reviewed.  My understanding is that in the past there were problems with inappropriate content.  Now all videos must be approved to avoid problems.

I've got a PhD in Physics.  I watched the video since I am in a better position than most to understand the terms being used.  It's basically a restatement of what Paul said in quoting Epimenides to the Athenians ("In him we live and move and have our being") except dressed up in technical terms.  Bottom line is that presentations like this don't prove anything.   If one believes God is Creator of all, then creation obviously points to a Creator.  If one believes the universe is all that exists, then its existence points only to the fact something exists rather than nothing. 

In many places, the Bible uses various analogies from the physical world to explain what God is like.  Things such as light, love, rock, fortress, deliverer, shield, shepherd, door, bread of life, and others are used to describe aspects of God and our relationship to Him.  What is being presented in these posts and the video is an elevation of a single one of those analogies to being a literal physical description of God.  "God is light" is being selected from among all the analogies and being given a special status (and running counter to Genesis 1 where light is specifically said to be a part of the physical universe that God created). 

The real problem I see is with a statement like "God is all possible paths of the EM Vector Field" (which is really of saying "God is physical light in the material universe").  This is skirting with heresy by making God the Creator a part of His creation or by making His creation a part of Him.  It is more closely related to eastern religions that basically say that the universe is god than it is to Christianity that says God is the transcendent Creator of all and that His creation is distinct from Him.   It is taking an analogy in the Bible of "God is light" and turning into a statement of physical scientific fact.    What I am hearing in this is the following "proof" of God's existence.   God is literally light.  Light exists.  Therefore, God exists.     It would be well within Christian thought and belief to use analogies about light to describe aspects of God.  However, that is far different than saying that He is physical light.

[pittsburghjoe]

This is all very pointless for Christians as they already believe. I'm trying to get feedback on it before taking it to the unbelievers. Anything that wakes them up is welcome.

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[pittsburghjoe]

Are local objects that can remain local on their own, closed scalar volumes that have entropy?

Is entropy disorder? Is sin disorder?

Is God's Kingdom orderly? Is it Coherent?
Is this reality of the fallen Decoherent?

[Michael37]

22 minutes ago, pittsburghjoe said:

Are local objects that can remain local on their own, closed scalar volumes that have entropy?

Is entropy disorder? Is sin disorder?

Is God's Kingdom orderly? Is it Coherent?
Is this reality of the fallen Decoherent?

Hi.

It is one thing to draw an analogy, another to postulate a theory, and yet another to claim a proof.

Whilst the entrance of sin into a sinless Creation is given as the cause of the Universe being affected by decay/ corruption/ entropy, entropy itself is not a synonym for sin, which is literally missing the mark.

Here is a beautiful passage that far surpasses any scientific formula on the subject.

Rom 8:18-23  For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.  (19)  For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.  (20)  For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope;  (21)  because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.  (22)  For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now.  (23)  Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.
 

[pittsburghjoe]

You know it will be delivered to us ..just not through me? I'm not saying I'm someone special .but, uhh could you at least consider what I'm saying just-in-case?

I think scalar and its quantities are all part of the fall.

https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/airplane/vectors.html

 

[pittsburghjoe]

You either get an interference pattern or you don't.
When you don't, the wave collapsed into our fallen reality of decoherence.
When you do, the wave remained coherent until the final panel.

Waves don't have entropy. They don't have disorder. Sounds like what God would use for a spiritual universe.

[Tristen]

2 hours ago, pittsburghjoe said:

This is all very pointless for Christians as they already believe. I'm trying to get feedback on it before taking it to the unbelievers. Anything that wakes them up is welcome.

“This is all very pointless for Christians as they already believe”

For context: You are presenting a non-Christian (and fairly convoluted) version of reality to Christians, on a Christian website, using concepts found in Christian scriptures.

 

“I'm trying to get feedback on it before taking it to the unbelievers”

Well, your “feedback” is that your postulations are a) contrary to the truth as claimed by Christian scripture, b) a convoluted god-of-the-gaps kind of argument that would be difficult for anyone with a non-physics (non-QM) background to understand, and ultimately obligates no-one to further consideration, and c) suggest that the true Gospel of Christ needs to be improved upon to 'wake up' unbelievers.

Our responses are predictable – given that you are asking Christians our perspective.