CAN YOU LOSE YOUR SALVATION IF YOU DON’T ‘Hold Firmly’?

[DeighAnn]

1 minute ago, clancy said:

I would say if I may.

That our will comes in line with the Fathers will...for our lives.

My Will has battled God’s will in areas of my life, it wore me out though, long story...just my personal belief,Anne.?

chancy, I agree. 

His ways become our ways.  Hard to 'see and truly understand' in the beginning but practice makes perfect and one day 'righteousness' has become the only way.  

Easier for some than others as we are on semi opposite sides of how hard that battle was.  I am super thankful you finally 'wore out'.  As I was reading this,  I thought of that all night wrestling session of Jacob and the Lord.  How's the thigh?  Just kidding...

[Marathoner]

20 minutes ago, clancy said:

I would say if I may.

That our will comes in line with the Fathers will...for our lives.

My Will has battled with God’s will in areas of my life, it wore me out though, long story...just my personal belief,Anne.?

Im in line now though...I can’t win against God, and why would I want to.

i guess it came down to trusting him....I fully trust him now I believe.

The Lord brought me to a place where I yielded my life. Christ accepted this, my reasonable service to Him, for He required everything from me. 

[DeighAnn]

1 minute ago, Marathoner said:

It's not about us, sister. It's all about the Lord Jesus Christ who sends the Spirit of Christ to dwell with His beloved. We are conformed to His image by His Spirit.

Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we do not lose heart. But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God. But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake. For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. (2 Corinthians 2:1-6 NKJV)

Not our will but His be done. For in this manner the Word made flesh carried out our Father's will, and so we carry out His.     

It is about us.  Each and everyone of us. The many membered body.  BUT

IF WE DON'T GLORIFY GOD then who would?  

Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth, as it is in heaven. 
A KINGDOM.  A King and His dominion.  

He created us for His pleasure.  

THE WORD was made flesh and walked among us BECAUSE the law couldn't save us.  If it could, then there would have been no need for A SAVIOUR to come, a New Covenant. 

But we are weak.  WE need help.  We need help just to FOLLOW HIS LEAD, His example, to do His work.    We through faith and His Work are able to RECEIVE what the law could never give. 

 WE receive His mercy

 

2 Corinthians 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

2 Corinthians 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

2 Corinthians 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

2 Corinthians 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

2 Corinthians 3:11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

2 Corinthians 3:12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:

2 Corinthians 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

2 Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

2 Corinthians 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

2 Corinthians 3:16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

2 Corinthians 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

2 Corinthians 4:1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;

2 Corinthians 4:2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

2 Corinthians 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

OUR TREASURE IS TO GIVE LIGHT TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE GLORY OF GOD 
 

2 Corinthians 4:8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;

2 Corinthians 4:9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;

2 Corinthians 4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

NO LONGER WALKING IN THE FLESH, NEW CREATURES WALKING IN THE SPIRIT

BUT STILL US, DOING THE WILL OF GOD, THAT WILL BEING THAT ALL COME TO REPENTANCE, THAT ALL BE SAVED.  A many membered body

2 Corinthians 4:11 For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

To walk in righteousness as naturally as Christ did.  Something we need HELP to do, can't do on our own, but WE still do it.  

2 Corinthians 4:12 So then death worketh in us, but life in you.

2 Corinthians 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

2 Corinthians 4:14 Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.

2 Corinthians 4:15 For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God.

I just went back and read it again and again, I just don't know how to 'disappear' 'the us' from the equation.  I can disappear us from making it on our own, from boasting and from all Glory going to God, but 'everyone becoming Christ' 'in Him' no longer a child of God on our own, I can't.  Maybe you are just ahead of me and I will catch up or maybe not.  Prayer and time will tell.  What we believe RIGHT now isn't going to change Gods Truth, and WE have the faith and belief and love of God so all's good.  If it wasn't written as it was,   would we even keep talking about it?   God knows how to keep us interested and involved and it evolves for us.  God Bless you this day and every day.  

[steve morrow]

*******WARNING  FROM  GOD*******

 

ROMANS 1:18  FOR  THE  WRATH  OF  GOD  IS  REVEALED  FROM  HEAVEN  AGAINST  ALL  UNGODLINESS  AND  UNRIGHTEOUSNESS  OF  MEN  WHO HOLD  THE  TRUTH  IN  UNRIGHTEOUSNESS 

 

EZEKIEL 3:18  WHEN  I  SAY  UNTO  THE  WICKED  THOU  SHALT  SURELY  DIE  AND  THOU  GIVEST  HIM  NOT  --WARNING-- NOR  SPEAKEST  TO  WARN  THE  WICKED  FROM  HIS  WICKED  WAY  ---TO  SAVE  HIS  LIFE---  THE  SAME  WICKED  MAN  SHALL  DIE  IN  HIS  INIQUITY  BUT  --HIS  BLOOD  WILL  I  REQUIRE  AT  THINE  HAND 

ACTS 20:26  WHEREFORE  I  TAKE  YOU  TO  RECORD  THIS  DAY  THAT  I  AM  PURE  FROM  THE  BLOOD  OF  ALL  MEN 

--20:27-- FOR  I  HAVE  NOT  SHUNNED  TO  DECLARE  UNTO  YOU  ALL  THE  COUNSEL  OF  GOD 

 

EZEKIEL 3:19  YET  IF  THOU  WARN  THE  WICKED  AND  HE  TURN  NOT  FROM  HIS  WICKEDNESS  NOR  FROM  HIS  WICKED  WAY  HE  SHALL  DIE  IN  HIS  INIQUITY  --- BUT  THOU  HAST  DELIVERED  THY  SOUL ---

EZEKIEL 3:20  --AGAIN---- WHEN  A  RIGHTEOUS  MAN  DOTH  TURN  FROM  HIS  RIGHTEOUSNESS---- AND  COMMIT  INIQUITY  AND  I  LAY  A  STUMBLING  BLOCK  BEFORE  HIM  --HE  SHALL  DIE--  BECAUSE  THOU  HAST  NOT  GIVEN  HIM  WARNING  HE  SHALL  DIE  IN  HIS  SIN  AND  HIS  RIGHTEOUSNESS  WHICH  HE  HATH  DONE  SHALL --NOT  BE  REMEMBERED-- BUT  HIS  BLOOD  WILL  I  REQUIRE  AT  THINE  HAND 

EZEKIEL 3:21  NEVERTHELESS  IF  THOU  WARN  THE  RIGHTEOUS  MAN  THAT  THE  RIGHTEOUS  SIN  NOT  AND  HE  DOTH  NOT  SIN  HE  SHALL  SURELY  LIVE ----BECAUSE  HE  IS  WARNED----ALSO  THOU  HAST   DELIVERED  THY  SOUL----

 

MATTHEW  7:21  NOT  EVERYONE  THAT  SAITH  UNTO  ME  LORD  LORD  SHALL  ENTER  INTO  THE  KINGDOM  OF  HEAVEN  BUT  HE  THAT  ---DOETH  THE  WILL  OF  MY  FATHER  WHICH  IS  IN  HEAVEN

--7:22--  MANY  WILL  SAY  TO  ME  IN  THAT  DAY  LORD  LORD  HAVE  WE  NOT  PROPHESIED  IN  YOUR  NAME  AND  IN  THY  NAME  CAST  OUT  devils  AND  IN  THY  NAME  DONE  MANY  WONDERFUL  WORKS 

--7:23--  AND  THEN  I  WILL  PROFESS  UNTO  THEM  --I  NEVER  KNEW  YOU--  DEPART  FROM  ME  YOU  THAT  WORK  INIQUITY 

 

ROMANS 10:13  FOR  WHOSOEVER  SHALL  CALL  UPON  THE  NAME  OF  THE  LORD  SHALL  BE  SAVED  

2 TIMOTHY 2:19  NEVERTHELESS  THE  FOUNDATION  OF  GOD  STANDETH  SURE  HAVING  THIS  SEAL  THE  LORD  KNOWETH  THEM  THAT  ARE  HIS  AND  LET  EVERY  ONE  THAT  NAMETH  THE  NAME  OF  CHRIST ----DEPART  FROM  INIQUITY----

ACTS 3:26  UNTO  YOU  FIRST  GOD  HAVING  RAISED  UP  HIS  SON  JESUS  SENT  HIM  TO  BLESS  YOU  IN  TURNING  AWAY  EVERY ONE  OF  YOU  FROM  HIS  INIQUITIES

 

PSALM 119:155  SALVATION  IS  FAR  FROM  THE  WICKED  FOR  THEY  SEEK  NOT  THY  STATUTES

PROVERBS 12:6  THE  WORDS  OF  THE  WICKED  ARE  TO  LIE  IN  WAIT  FOR  BLOOD  BUT  THE  MOUTH  OF  THE  UPRIGHT  SHALL  DELIVER  THEM

PROVERBS 11:4  RICHES  PROFIT  NOT  IN  THE  DAY  OF  WRATH  BUT  RIGHTEOUSNESS  DELIVERETH  FROM  DEATH 

 

EZEKIEL 18:23  HAVE  I  ANY  PLEASURE  AT  ALL  THAT  THE  WICKED  SHOULD  DIE  SAITH  THE  LORD  GOD  AND  NOT  THAT  HE  SHOULD  RETURN  FROM  HIS  WAYS  ---AND  LIVE---

 

MATTHEW  10:22  AND  YOU  SHALL  BE  HATED  OF  ALL  MEN  FOR  MY  NAMES  SAKE  BUT  HE  ----THAT  ENDURETH----TO  THE  END  SHALL  BE  SAVED----

 

PSALM 119:160  THY  WORD  IS  TRUE  FROM  THE  BEGINNING  AND  EVERYONE  OF  THY  RIGHTEOUS  JUDGEMENTS  ENDURETH  FOREVER 

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST 

[Mike Mclees]

On 4/4/2021 at 8:47 AM, Josheb said:

Do you understand Matthew 24 is eschatological, not soteriological? 

 

Let me encourage you to pay attention to this distinction (and occasional overlap) because many preachers and teachers confuse and conflate the two erroneously. Simply put: when God saves someone from temporal circumstances it does not mean He has also saved them from sin or future wrath. The two should not be confused or conflated. 

Yes I understand what you want to say about conflate. This is simply the way you want to see it, yet to me you are just wanting to hide behind a bush. I could  have use many other scripture . We need to get back to the real question. Not all who say Lord Lord will enter the kingdom takes in a broad meaning, Yet Matt 24"46-48  Is blatant in what it says. How do you explain What Jesus said here in light of ASOs?

 

Edited April 5, 2021 by Mike Mclees

[Alive]

39 minutes ago, Mike Mclees said:

Yes I understand what you want to say about conflate. This is simply the way you want to see it, yet to me you are just wanting to hide behind a bush. I could  have use many other scripture . We need to get back to the real question. Not all who say Lord Lord will enter the kingdom takes in a broad meaning, Yet Matt 24"46-48  Is blatant in what it says. How do you explain What Jesus said here in light of ASOs?

 

This is a direct personal attack--stick to the subject matter. Debate the content only.

[Mike Mclees]

4 hours ago, Josheb said:

I've already answered that question: the text is eschatological, not soteriological. The parable begins with the statement, "Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming," and then he tells the parable of the two servants. Its is eschatological, not soteriological. Is the difference understood?

I am sorry if I offended you ? I can not debate with you as you  would like. I am only  interested the in the truth and that is all. If you can answer the question i put to you we will have to do it on a truth level. I would be more interested in your answer on Matt.24: 46 -48 on the good servant and the evil servant who did not hold on to his faith and Jesus let him go to the place of weeping whaling and nashing or teeth which could only mean hell. This is a very  dogmatic statement from Jesus .How does that line up with OSAS.? 

Also When Jesus said Not all who say Lord Lord will enter into the kingdom. There must be a reason for that?  This is purely talking to believers. So we don't have to approach so  Respectfully This is not answered by eschatology  or soteriology. I don't debate on ideologies. again with respect.

God bless

 

Edited April 6, 2021 by Mike Mclees

[Alive]

5 minutes ago, Josheb said:

If you really are interested in the truth then get out the Bible and read it. Compare what I posted to what the scriptures state beginning at verse 42 and on through the two verses you quoted. 

 

This is where it starts to get to be of a personal nature and not solely on the topic. When this starts, its goes downhill---often.

Please refrain.

[Mike Mclees]

2 hours ago, Josheb said:

I do not doubt either your stated interest or your sincerity in making that claim. The problems are 1) I have not been reading truth, and 2) the substance of what I have posted is not being considered. 

Soteriology is the doctrine of salvation. 
Eschatology is the doctrine of the end. 

The passage from which Matthew 24:26-28 explicitly states it is about the return of Christ; it does NOT anywhere state or even remotely imply the parable is about salvation from sin.

That is the truth. 

Get out a Bible and read the surrounding verses for yourself. What I just said is true. The truth is right there: the text itself says it's about Christ's return and nowhere does it say anything about salvation from sin.

Truth. 

I did answer the question asked and I did answer it truthfully, I did answer it scripturally. The passage I was asked about has nothing to do with OSAS. It has nothing directly to do with salvation. It is eschatological, not soteriological. 

Truth. 

Compare what I posted to what the scriptures state beginning at verse 42 and on through the two verses previously quoted.

 

Truth. 

I know this is a verse always leaned upon by those of OSAS I have to disagree with your assumption. When shall we be judged? I it s not at the second coming.  Jesus warns us to always  be firm and ready for His coming. This is not against you but what Jesus is actually saying and we will not know the day or hour of His coming. This is verses 36-44. 

Now lets look at what Jesus said of the wise servant. 46-47  Blessed is that servant whom his lord when He cometh shall find so doing. Jesus is that Lord! This Is His second coming

Jesus said of the evil servant in the day he kooketh not for Him he shall cut him asunder . He went back to his hell razing life which cost Him his salvation. The place of whaling and nashing of teeth. The firm and faithful will suffer the antichrist but be honored of God Revelation 15:2 

Now this is the truth has OSAS has twisted to be truth.

This is not an attack against you. Be blessed.

Many 

God bless 

Edited April 6, 2021 by Mike Mclees

[Alive]

Can it be said of those that are redeemed, washed in the Blood and born from above-- that they are evil?

Are they not considered to have the very 'Righteousness of Christ", according to scripture. When God looks upon those washed clean by the Blood, does He see evil or does He see the finished work of Christ?