Are Fossils evidence of evolution ....or are the evidence of fossils

[Guest kingdombrat]

On 4/8/2021 at 2:11 PM, The Barbarian said:

Doesn't matter what anyone thinks.  Reality is what counts.

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/2/10/1297356090584/Foot-bone-from-Australopi-008.jpg?width=620&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=0ccce6b9ca86a2d870e13f86175a6677

The 3.2m-year-old foot bone resembles its equivalent in humans and shows Australopithecus afarensis had arched feet. Photograph: Kimberly A. Congdon/Carol Ward/Elizabeth Harman/Science

 

3.2 million is reality?   Where is that time frame explained in Genesis Chapters 1-4?   

[missmuffet]

On 2/2/2021 at 9:41 PM, Riverwalker said:

A thing is evidence of itself. Fossils prove there are fossils, but that is all they do. If you go any further than the evidence allows, then you have left the realm on proof, and entered the fantasy world of Surmisal. Trying to explain a theory by leaping from one fact to supposition is like diving into a pool with no water. It might be fun ...for a little bit

The earth is approximately 6,000 years old. It would seem likely that the fossils we have were laid down within that 6,000 years. Most scientists would not agree with that. Most scientists are atheists and are not believers of God or the Bible. 

[Sparks]

4 hours ago, missmuffet said:

The earth is approximately 6,000 years old. It would seem likely that the fossils we have were laid down within that 6,000 years.

Yes.  It's as if there was a giant global flood. 

[The Barbarian]

The 3.2m-year-old foot bone resembles its equivalent in humans and shows Australopithecus afarensis had arched feet. Photograph: Kimberly A. Congdon/Carol Ward/Elizabeth Harman/Science.

11 hours ago, kingdombrat said:

3.2 million is reality? 

Yep.    That's what the evidence shows.

11 hours ago, kingdombrat said:

Where is that time frame explained in Genesis Chapters 1-4?   

Same place protons are explained.   There are many things that are true, that are not in the Bible.

As you learned, the text itself rules out the "days" of Genesis being literal 24-hour days.

The point, of course, is that A afarensis bones clearly show that their feet were like ours adapted for walking upright.

 

[The Barbarian]

If you think a podiatrist couldn't tell the difference between an ankle joint from a person with flat feet, and a bone that had been chewed by animals, we've located the problem.

11 hours ago, kingdombrat said:

Since there are no pictures of Lucy when she was discovered before excavating her,

The bones were photographed only after they were exposed.   Couldn't do it when they were covered by rock.

11 hours ago, kingdombrat said:

, the podiatrist still has to go off the description how she was found, how her legs were positioned, etc. 

Nope.  None of that matters.   Only the orientation of the articulating surface of the ankle bone.   Your claim that maybe they were fooled by an animal having chewed on the bone, is laughable.  Did you really think that would fool any podiatrist?   Seriously?

 

 

[The Barbarian]

11 hours ago, kingdombrat said:

I am familiar with Biologists suggestion of flies as being the source of evolution in its best example. 

If so, that's yet another misunderstanding you have.   Let's see what a YE creationist has to say about evidence for evolution...

"Evidences for Darwin’s second expectation — of stratomorphic intermediate species — include such species as Baragwanathia27 (between rhyniophytes and lycopods), Pikaia28 (between echinoderms and chordates), Purgatorius29 (between the tree shrews and the primates), and Proconsul30 (between the non-hominoid primates and the hominoids). Darwin’s third expectation — of higher-taxon stratomorphic intermediates — has been confirmed by such examples as the mammal-like reptile groups31 between the reptiles and the mammals, and the phenacodontids32 between the horses and their presumed ancestors. Darwin’s fourth expectation — of stratomorphic series — has been confirmed by such examples as the early bird series,33 the tetrapod series,34,35 the whale series,36 the various mammal series of the Cenozoic37 (for example, the horse series, the camel series, the elephant series, the pig series, the titanothere series, etc.), the Cantius and Plesiadapus primate series,38 and the hominid series.39Evidence for not just one but for all three of the species level and above types of stratomorphic intermediates expected by macroevolutionary theory is surely strong evidence for macroevolutionary theory. Creationists therefore need to accept this fact. It certainly CANNOT be said that traditional creation theory expected (predicted) any of these fossil finds."

https://creation.com/images/pdfs/tj/j09_2/j09_2_216-222.pdf

Another:

"Evolution is not a theory in crisis. It is not teetering on the verge of collapse. It has not failed as a scientific explanation. There is evidence for evolution, gobs and gobs of it. It is not just speculation or a faith choice or an assumption or a religion. It is a productive framework for lots of biological research, and it has amazing explanatory power. There is no conspiracy to hide the truth about the failure of evolution. There has really been no failure of evolution as a scientific theory. It works, and it works well.

I say these things not because I'm crazy or because I've "converted" to evolution. I say these things because they are true. I'm motivated this morning by reading yet another clueless, well-meaning person pompously declaring that evolution is a failure. People who say that are either unacquainted with the inner workings of science or unacquainted with the evidence for evolution.

...

Creationist students, listen to me very carefully: There is evidence for evolution, and evolution is an extremely successful scientific theory. That doesn't make it ultimately true, and it doesn't mean that there could not possibly be viable alternatives. It is my own faith choice to reject evolution, because I believe the Bible reveals true information about the history of the earth that is fundamentally incompatible with evolution. I am motivated to understand God's creation from what I believe to be a biblical, creationist perspective. Evolution itself is not flawed or without evidence. Please don't be duped into thinking that somehow evolution itself is a failure. Please don't idolize your own ability to reason. Faith is enough."
https://toddcwood.blogspot.com/2009/09/truth-about-evolution.html

[Charlie744]

6 hours ago, Sparks said:

Yes.  It's as if there was a giant global flood. 

I just saw this topic and was surprised to find it had been going on for some 41 pages..... amazing!

Before I ask a simple question I just want all to realize that I did a study going back to the very firs page of this topic...... according to my calculations and radioactive testing, the first page was posted at least 1.5 million years ago... plus or minus 20,000 years - (not sure if the pizza sauce corrupted the test).

Anyway, here is the one question I would respectfully ask:  Do you believe the Bible is 100 % inspired by God AND thereby does NOT have ANY errors or contradictions within the 66 books?

If you answer to that question is a "big NO", then please ignore this question. If you answered yes to that question, then is the answer in the Bible?

Thanks and I look forward to your response! Charlie

[Guest kingdombrat]

1 hour ago, Charlie744 said:

Anyway, here is the one question I would respectfully ask:  Do you believe the Bible is 100 % inspired by God AND thereby does NOT have ANY errors or contradictions within the 66 books?

This is very much like if the Protestants were on display like they are today, (with current modern understanding of basic Doctrine to the Gospel of Christ), but now the setting back to year 325 A.D., would they have chosen the [SAME 66 Books or would they have added more or would there be less than 66 Books]?

 

I think what we have is [Sufficient] enough.

But, I still believe it's very possible there could be some missing Books that would/could solve/provide clearer picture to several missing links and loose knots we're left with from the current 66.

Edited April 12, 2021 by kingdombrat

[Charlie744]

11 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

This is very much like if the Protestants were on display like they are today, (with current modern understanding of basic Doctrine to the Gospel of Christ), but now the setting back to year 325 A.D., would they have chosen the [SAME 66 Books or would they have added more or would there be less than 66 Books]?

 

I think what we have is [Sufficient] enough.

But, I still believe it's very possible there could be some missing Books that would/could solve/provide clearer picture to several missing links and loose knots we're left with from the current 66.

I am very sorry but I have no idea what you are talking about!

I simply asked if you or anyone believes in the inerrant words in the Scripture, and if so, do you then believe the answer to the question of fossils, age of earth, etc., can be found in those Scriptures.

I hope I did not confuse you that much!

Charlie

[Guest kingdombrat]

8 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

I am very sorry but I have no idea what you are talking about!

No problem and besides, it allowed a question I had proposed years ago.   If us Protestants were in the position of the RCC in choosing the [66 Books], would we as modern Protestants have chosen the [same, or added more or removed] the Books that currently consist of our Canon?

8 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

I simply asked if you or anyone believes in the inerrant words in the Scripture, and if so, do you then believe the answer to the question of fossils, age of earth, etc., can be found in those Scriptures.

I believe the answers are found in Scripture.   Where I live is considered [High Desert Climate].  Ironically, we have a few locations that are loaded with ancient fossilized shells you would find normally at Sea bottom.   What caused this High Desert Land to be cluttered with ancient clam shells and other shells.   Obviously, they journeyed here during the Noah's Flood!