Are Fossils evidence of evolution ....or are the evidence of fossils

[Sparks]

9 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Sparks, I may be incorrect here but I think the earth was 100 % covered with water prior to their being drawn down into the earth..... Charlie

Yes, the world started as water, but look closely at the scripture.  It says "You clothed the earth with floods of water, water that covered even the mountains."  So, the world was finished when this hit, and this flood was after the creation.  The world was 100% water during creation, it was not land where water was later added.  It was water were land was added.

It says, "Then you set a firm boundary for the seas, so they would never again cover the earth."  Obviously, if this described the Genesis story, this scripture would counter the flood event which came much later.

As we discussed earlier, the Bible does not conflict with itself.

[Charlie744]

3 minutes ago, one.opinion said:

The evidence God left for us in His creation is not consistent with the assumption of the 6,000-10,000 year old universe and earth. The distant starlight issue and the radiometric dating of the earth show us a universe and planet much older than a strictly literal interpretation of the Bible allows. The fossil record shows us clearly that fossils were NOT all deposited at the same time, in contrast to the argument that fossils only result from the flood of Noah's time.

Regardless, the age of these things is a secondary issue (if not tertiary or quaternary!) to the meaningful theology present in Genesis 1-3.

* The one true God is the Creator of the universe and everything in it.

* God made humans special, with the unique ability to relate with Him.

* God passed His image on to all humans through Adam and Eve.

* Adam and Eve chose their own "wisdom" over God's and ushered sin into the world, condemning humanity to sin and its consequences.

* God foretold of His redemptive plan through Jesus.

I can see you are a intelligent scientist..... but you obviously have made a very significant error - I could not help but notice you PURPOSELY failed to address the Volkswagen Beetle...... but this is quite common among scientists - they have no answer for this ...even Darwin avoided this subject!

Enough of that ..... but I do believe you are looking for those answers as a scientist normally would however you may be in a very small group of scientists that believe in the Scriptures.... certainly we need more like you from those disciplines!!!!!

Anyway, I would respectfully request that you go to the Book of Luke in chapter 3:23-28.  Here God has, for more than one reason, given us HIS genealogy from HIMSELF all the way back to Adam.  And there are places in the OT where you / we can find the actual ages of each of the folks .....

Essentially, God is telling us there are some 4,000 years from Adam to Jesus and of course it has been another 2,000 years since then.... So, at this time, there is no doubt that man has been on this planet for no more than 6,000 years. For me, this tells me we are so near the HIS second coming..... (if you order pizza, get the 30 minute or less delivery guarantee).....

Now, it you agree there is no errors in the Scriptures (my first question), then you should also agree man is 6,000 years old. So, the next question is," well, how old is the earth?

And the Scriptures also tell us the answer to this question ---- all we have to do is to take the 6,000 years of man and add 5 more days! As you know, man was created on the 6th day. 

Concern about fossils, Volkswagen Beetles, geological columns, etc. We do not have to concern ourselves with them at all..... When God created Adam He did NOT make him as a baby to slowly grow to manhood... He created Adam as though he was say some 26 years old or so..... (a man). Meaning if anyone were to look on his outside appearance, they would see a full grown man. If a doctor were to cut him open he would have ALL the characteristics  / growth / cells / internal features, etc., of a 26 year old man.... God built into this brand new creation ALL the features of a grown man.

That is exactly (my opinion) what HE did not only for this planet, but for the entire universe.... He did not place a new star some 10 gazillion miles away and wait for its light to take the time to arrive at earth.... no, the universe, this planet had  ALL their characteristics, time, space, distance, whatever just as HE created Adam two seconds ago yet he looked / functioned / etc., as a 26 year old man. 

PS. that Volkswagen beetle found has no miles on it.... So, if we can determine its age, we will have the start date of the universe....just saying.

 

Look forward to your thoughts, Charlie 

[Charlie744]

22 minutes ago, Sparks said:

Yes, the world started as water, but look closely at the scripture.  It says "You clothed the earth with floods of water, water that covered even the mountains."  So, the world was finished when this hit, and this flood was after the creation.  The world was 100% water during creation, it was not land where water was later added.  It was water were land was added.

It says, "Then you set a firm boundary for the seas, so they would never again cover the earth."  Obviously, if this described the Genesis story, this scripture would counter the flood event which came much later.

As we discussed earlier, the Bible does not conflict with itself.

Ok and wait one minute here --- I do not appreciate you bringing in to our discussions facts and Scripture... how am I suppose to respond to  that?  From now on, I think it will be appropriate if you follow my lead - conjecture, misinterpretations, outright ridiculous theories, lies, make things us as we go.... these are the principles that have served me well......

Just saying, Charlie

[Charlie744]

10 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Ok and wait one minute here --- I do not appreciate you bringing in to our discussions facts and Scripture... how am I suppose to respond to  that?  From now on, I think it will be appropriate if you follow my lead - conjecture, misinterpretations, outright ridiculous theories, lies, make things us as we go.... these are the principles that have served me well......

Just saying, Charlie

But I would like to hear your and anyone's thoughts on my response to @one.opinion above (same question as you two were discussing)..... Charlie

[Sparks]

13 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

But I would like to hear your and anyone's thoughts on my response to @one.opinion above (same question as you two were discussing)..... Charlie

It's a good response, and you're right.  The way Creationists derive the age of the Earth is by historical/legal methods which count birthdays.  Just add them up, and then add 6 days. 

[Charlie744]

Just now, Sparks said:

It's a good response, and you're right.  The way Creationists derive the age of the Earth is by historical/legal methods which count birthdays.  Just add them up, and add then add 6 days. 

6 or 5 days?  Now we have something to debate...... this won't be so easy Sparks.... I am going to the mat with this one! Charlie

[teddyv]

1 hour ago, Sparks said:

If you refer to the latent heat of condensation, the world didn't have the mountains it has today, and the majority of the water came from under the Earth's crust, and remains today as oceans. 

Scripture points out that God made the mountains we see today after the flood.   As you see below, it cannot be referencing Genesis in the creation story, but after.

Psalm 104: 6-9 (NLT)

You clothed the earth with floods of water,
    water that covered even the mountains.
⁷ At your command, the water fled;
    at the sound of your thunder, it hurried away.
⁸ Mountains rose and valleys sank
    to the levels you decreed.
⁹ Then you set a firm boundary for the seas,
    so they would never again cover the earth.

Pretty sure we did this dance on Psalm 104 earlier in this thread (or perhaps it was someone else). That's a creation retelling. As Charlie pointed out, in the beginning, the spirit of God hovered over the waters (primordial chaos).

The thermodynamic issues are accelerating crustal plates to very high velocities with the necessary crustal formation at the spreading ridges.

[Charlie744]

Just now, teddyv said:

Pretty sure we did this dance on Psalm 104 earlier in this thread (or perhaps it was someone else). That's a creation retelling. As Charlie pointed out, in the beginning, the spirit of God hovered over the waters (primordial chaos).

The thermodynamic issues are accelerating crustal plates to very high velocities with the necessary crustal formation at the spreading ridges.

Yes, take that Sparks! Although I have absolutely no idea what he just said... but it did sound like something I should agree with... in fact, I will just have to cut and paste this and use it in my Sabbath comments!

Great stuff, Charlie 

[teddyv]

Just now, Charlie744 said:

Yes, take that Sparks! Although I have absolutely no idea what he just said... but it did sound like something I should agree with... in fact, I will just have to cut and paste this and use it in my Sabbath comments!

Great stuff, Charlie 

Go right ahead.

[Sparks]

1 hour ago, teddyv said:

That's a creation retelling.

That's just creation telling, not retelling.  In fact, that's just quoting scripture. 

1 hour ago, teddyv said:

The thermodynamic issues are accelerating crustal plates to very high velocities with the necessary crustal formation at the spreading ridges.

I am not sure what you are saying here.  Would you mind expanding on this a bit? 

The problems of thermodynamics (latent heat of condensation) is solved if the majority of water came from underground, and not just from rain, and if the mountains were not like ours today.  With underground water showing up, you don't have to worry about vapor converting to rain, from thin air, causing heat.

It appears that there are still vast oceans beneath us, as scientists now theorize.  The short story is that seismometers measured seismic waves slowing.  They think it's water.

One article from 2017 writes:  A new study suggests that a hidden “ocean” is nestled in the Earth’s mantle some 400 miles beneath North America. The hidden reservoir, apparently locked in a blue crystalline mineral called ringwoodite, may hold three times as much water that exists in all the world’s surface oceans.

Genesis itself describes that ALL underground water erupted from the Earth.  If scientists are right about all that water, and the Bible is right about it all showing up on land, that's going to make quite a flood.

Genesis 7:11-12 (NLT) 11 When Noah was 600 years old, on the seventeenth day of the second month, all the underground waters erupted from the earth, and the rain fell in mighty torrents from the sky. 12 The rain continued to fall for forty days and forty nights.