Why evil?

[Riverwalker]

6 minutes ago, Regenerated-Adult said:

There is also something fundamentally wrong with that way of thinking, which is that the Bible is very clear on God knowing the future and choosing people to save and people that end up in hell.  THe Bible also says that God doesn't want anybody to go to hell.  So what does God want?  It isn't clear is it?

God does not choose to save people.  Jesus died once for all. 

Romans 6: 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, [c]reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 10:13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

Its up to us to choose God. and "whosoever" does choose to believe in Christ will be saved

 

That is the trap of Calvinism, to think God chooses who will be damned and who will saved. That thought changes a benevolent grace giving God into a capricious tyrant

Edited February 6, 2021 by Riverwalker

[Regenerated-Adult]

6 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

God does not choose to save people.  Jesus died once for all. 

Romans 6: 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, [c]reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 10:13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

Its up to us to choose God. and "whosoever" does choose to believe in Christ will be saved

 

That is the trap of Calvinism, to think God chooses who will be damned and who will saved. That thought changes a benevolent grace giving God into a capricious tyrant

The problem here with you is that you think Calvinism isn't based on the Bible, when billions of other Christians disagree with you.  It isn't that Calvinism is wrong, it is that you didn't address the argument about God seperate from Christian theology.  YOu brought up clavinism and I didn't, but even if I did bring up Calvinism, you are a Christian that is supposed to love your enemies and you actually don't but actively condemn your own Christian brothers.  In other words, you are wrong and you know it too.  And the Bible says that salvation is the GIFT FROM GOD, and you had absolutely nothing to do with it.  YOu seem to believe that your own will and power got you saved.  WHy do you believe that?  When were you born again, at what date and time and how did you know it tangibly beyond a simple mental imagination?

 

[Riverwalker]

6 minutes ago, Regenerated-Adult said:

The problem here with you is that you think Calvinism isn't based on the Bible, when billions of other Christians disagree with you.  It isn't that Calvinism is wrong, it is that you didn't address the argument about God seperate from Christian theology.  YOu brought up clavinism and I didn't, but even if I did bring up Calvinism, you are a Christian that is supposed to love your enemies and you actually don't but actively condemn your own Christian brothers.  In other words, you are wrong and you know it too.  And the Bible says that salvation is the GIFT FROM GOD, and you had absolutely nothing to do with it.  YOu seem to believe that your own will and power got you saved.  WHy do you believe that?  When were you born again, at what date and time and how did you know it tangibly beyond a simple mental imagination?

 

When you said God chooses, I knew where you were coming from.

I do not argue the fact that Salvation is gift, I am just arguing that it is a limited gift. It is not.. Salvation is available to all. You only have to accept the gift.

BTW Calvinists number about 80 million (not billions),  that means the rest of the approximately 2.7 Christians in the world to not hold your view of the few chosen

 

Also I did not attack you, I disagreed with you, and I guess you took offense at that

Edited February 6, 2021 by Riverwalker

[LearningToLetGo]

Can you have good without evil?

God is good therefore...?

[Regenerated-Adult]

Just now, Riverwalker said:

When you said God chooses, I knew where you were coming from.

I do not argue the fact that Salvation is gift, I am just arguing that it is a limited gift. It is not.. Salvation is available to all. You only have to accept the gift.

BTW Calvinists number about 80 million (not billions),  that means the rest of the approximately 2.7 Christians in the world to not hold your view of the few chosen

How old are you?

 

No, you did not know where I was coming from at all.  You made assumptions about it, that's all.

 

So if you aren't saying that salvation is a gift, you just contradicted yourself.

 

ANd there have been billions of humans in recorded history that were Calvinists.  So your estimation about the current statistic of how many of them there are is superfluously irrelevant.

[Riverwalker]

Just now, LearningToLetGo said:

Can you have good without evil?

God is good therefore...?

Evil is the absense of Good as Darkness is the absence of light. So, while they both define that absence they are not the absence

 

[Riverwalker]

1 minute ago, Regenerated-Adult said:

How old are you?

 

No, you did not know where I was coming from at all.  You made assumptions about it, that's all.

 

So if you aren't saying that salvation is a gift, you just contradicted yourself.

 

ANd there have been billions of humans in recorded history that were Calvinists.  So your estimation about the current statistic of how many of them there are is superfluously irrelevant.

How old am I?  ever so much more than 20.  I did say salvation is a gift, for all.

And they are still a small and wrong thinking minority of Christianity.

Now I think your reaction tells me all I need to know. and I am going to leave it there.

 

[LearningToLetGo]

59 minutes ago, Regenerated-Adult said:

I am not an atheist by any means, but I still don't understand why evil exists.

Evil exists because good exists.

[Regenerated-Adult]

1 minute ago, Riverwalker said:

How old am I?  ever so much more than 20.  I did say salvation is a gift, for all.

And they are still a small and wrong thinking minority of Christianity.

Now I think your reaction tells me all I need to know. and I am going to leave it there.

 

You are still a child to me, I am over 40 years old and you are ever so much over 20, and you have lots to learn.  Let me guess, you are part of a pentecostal or charismatic church where people speak in gibberish words and nobody interprets it for the church, and people roll around on the floor like demonically possessed people that are supposed to be born again Christians?  Or you just want to leave my conversation because you have no real answer to anything I said?

[Riverwalker]

1 minute ago, LearningToLetGo said:

Evil exists because good exists.

Evil exists where good does not.