Mt.12:40 - Three days and three nights

[Frits]

21 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

if there is something you need to question, please bring it for discussion. 

Brother, My closest friend,

"if there is something you need to question, please bring it for discussion."

The special thing about the suffering and death of the Lord Jesus, as well as His resurrection from the dead, is that two realities take place.  In Mt.12: 40 and Mr.9: 31 the Lord Jesus indicates two aspects of the same reality, which together form one whole.  One part relates to the visible, the other to the invisible, the spiritual.

When the Lord Jesus took upon Himself the sin of all mankind on Thursday evening, the Holy Spirit left Him and came spiritually to death!
His fleshly body was in Gethsemane, but His Spirit got in touch with the powers of death!
This was a new and very terrifying experience for the Lord Jesus!  He therefore prayed all the more fervently to God the Father.
No one saw this horrifying reality, because His disciples were asleep!
The physical consequence was the violence of the Jews, and the horrible torture of the Roman soldiers, from His capture to His crucifixion on Friday.
This macabre reality began for the Lord Jesus on Thursday evening, and that is where the count of Mt.12:40 begins.

If He dies physically at the ninth hour on Friday afternoon, then the count of Mr.9:31 begins.
Then, made alive by the Holy Ghost, the Lord Jesus enters Hades (Tartarus) in His spiritual Body, while His lifeless physical body lies in the grave.
After releasing the captives from Hades and entering the holy city of heavenly Jerusalem, the Lord Jesus appears to His followers on the first day of the week.

"The enemy tried to use the  example of Jonah to prove that Jesus is not the Christ because he was raised too early."

Both realities have then taken place, both Mt.12:40 and Mr.9:31 are fulfilled. 
But when He was subjected to death on Thursday, so that there is actually 3 nights in death, was not seen on earth, but in heaven.
When He was made spiritually alive by the Spirit of God on Friday, it was not seen on earth either, but it was seen in heaven.
The correlation between heavenly reality and the consequences on earth, is always present. That's what the preaching of the Lord Jesus was always about: the reality of the Kingdom of heaven.

May the Lord Jesus bless you.

Edited February 13, 2021 by Frits

[Your closest friendnt]

3 hours ago, Frits said:

Brother, My closest friend,

"if there is something you need to question, please bring it for discussion."

The special thing about the suffering and death of the Lord Jesus, as well as His resurrection from the dead, is that two realities take place.  In Mt.12: 40 and Mr.9: 31 the Lord Jesus indicates two aspects of the same reality, which together form one whole.  One part relates to the visible, the other to the invisible, the spiritual.

When the Lord Jesus took upon Himself the sin of all mankind on Thursday evening, the Holy Spirit left Him and came spiritually to death!
His fleshly body was in Gethsemane, but His Spirit got in touch with the powers of death!
This was a new and very terrifying experience for the Lord Jesus!  He therefore prayed all the more fervently to God the Father.
No one saw this horrifying reality, because His disciples were asleep!
The physical consequence was the violence of the Jews, and the horrible torture of the Roman soldiers, from His capture to His crucifixion on Friday.
This macabre reality began for the Lord Jesus on Thursday evening, and that is where the count of Mt.12:40 begins.

If He dies physically at the ninth hour on Friday afternoon, then the count of Mr.9:31 begins.
Then, made alive by the Holy Ghost, the Lord Jesus enters Hades (Tartarus) in His spiritual Body, while His lifeless physical body lies in the grave.
After releasing the captives from Hades and entering the holy city of heavenly Jerusalem, the Lord Jesus appears to His followers on the first day of the week.

"The enemy tried to use the  example of Jonah to prove that Jesus is not the Christ because he was raised too early."

Both realities have then taken place, both Mt.12:40 and Mr.9:31 are fulfilled. 
But when He came to death on Thursday, so that there is actually 3 nights in death, was not seen on earth, but in heaven.
When He was made spiritually alive by the Spirit of God on Friday, it was not seen on earth either, but it was seen in heaven.
The correlation between heavenly reality and the consequences on earth, is always present. That's what the preaching of the Lord Jesus was always about: the reality of the Kingdom of heaven.

May the Lord Jesus bless you.

I strongly disagree with the notion that Jesus Christ disobeyed God.

Death could come on Hesus only as a result of disobedience. 

The obedience of Jesus Christ was underlined that he will go through his ordeal as a man, he will suffer everything in his own strength.

To be on his own strength it does not mean that he was dead in the Spirit. 

That he was "in death". 

He was the LIFE Jesus Christ was the one to give Life to man.

That why we emphasized that Jesus Christ died in full obedience to God.

Jesus was in Life from the beginning the Holy Spirit of the Heavenly Father came to him and only to him because he was the only one in the Life of the Heavenly Father.  

The same thing with us we are in the Life because we believe in Jesus Christ and the baptism of the Holy Spirit is given to the children with the Life. 

[Frits]

5 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Death could come on Hesus only as a result of disobedience.

I think His voluntary submission to death was an act of obedience to God, not disobedience.

Mat 26:42 KJV He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

5 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

To be on his own strength it does not mean that he was dead in the Spirit. 

That he was "in death". 

This was the period of which Hebrews says:

Heb 2:9 KJV But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

[Your closest friendnt]

7 hours ago, Frits said:

I think His voluntary submission to death was an act of obedience to God, not disobedience.

Mat 26:42 KJV He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

This was the period of which Hebrews says:

Heb 2:9 KJV But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

We need to keep the conversation line going, it's not easy to always perceive the other person's thoughts, reading your responses I also take the time to examine my reactive thinking so it takes time  for responding.

Saying this, If understood  correctly there is a claim on the discussion that before Jesus death on the Cross on Friday at three in the afternoon that Jesus Christ died Spiritually a day earlier when he was in the Garden in prayer.

Need to affirm if understood that right and a definition of what is the meaning that Jesus Christ died spiritually in the Garden of Gethsemane. 

My response earlier it was according to this understanding. 

Jesus Christ was in the LIFE, and he had the burden to remain in the LIFE with his total obedience to God. 

It would take only one disobedience to God's commands towards to him in the specific to happened to Jesus the same thing that happened to Adam who also had the burden to remain in the LIFE he was created with and with the first disobedience he found himself to be "in death". 

Separated from God after physical death. 

(Whether he understood that or not)

Jesus Christ understood that very well, as we should also understand that all of us.

So with this understanding I am asking what was Jesus disobedience to the command God had given him (as when God commanded Adam not to eat from the tree or he will find himself from being "in the Life" to be "in death". 

Did that happen to Jesus Christ in the Garden? 

And if it did please elaborate how it happened. 

If it indeed anything like that happened then Jesus Christ cannot be raised from the dead and be glorified in Heaven. 

And please take a look at using the word "resurrected" for Jesus Christ, which includes the suggestion that he was spiritually dead like anyone else. 

The correct word which was used in scriptures and from Jesus Christ himself is RAISED FROM THE DEAD that shows where he was at the time God raised him from the place of the dead.  

 

Edited February 13, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[Frits]

7 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

So with this understanding I am asking what was Jesus disobedience to the command God had given him (as when God commanded Adam not to eat from the tree or he will find himself from being "in the Life" to be "in death". 

Bro Ycf,

It was impossible for the devil to tempt the Lord Jesus into sin and make Him disobedient to God the Father: the Lord Jesus always did what the Father pleased.  (Jh.8:29)
He has testified of this throughout His life with His words and with His deeds.

Also in Gethsemane the Lord Jesus did not disobey God the Father, on the contrary!
The Father knew that and the Lord Jesus knew it, and the devil knew it too.
But how could the devil get Him to die?  So, how could death take dominion over the Lord Jesus? The answer is, the devil could NOT!

The Father knew this, and the Lord Jesus knew this, and the devil also knew this!
Neither the devil nor death have any grip on the Lord Jesus!
The Lord Jesus Christ is Ruler over the devil and also over death, and He has shown that many times in His work and in His preaching.
And that's precisely why God the Father could use Him as a ransom to redeem all people who had sinned, from the power of the devil!

The Lord Jesus never committed sin and thus never became a sin slave.  But He righteous, willingly suffered death so that His Father could justify mankind through it.
Our sin debt was paid in full by Him!
Because the Lord Jesus voluntarily laid down His life, death ruled Him for "a little while", but death could not hold Him!  (Acts 2:24) Thus the Lord Jesus has definitely abolished death.

2Ti 1:10 KJV But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.

God bless.

[Eddy Crocker]

Remember the Bible declares the morning and evening the first day and so on. From light to darkness is considered one day according to the Bible. It’s not necessarily a 24 hour period that makes one day. It’s only from light to darkness. If you look at the way the book of Genesis was written we see this principle established.
The creation story how God created the heavens and the earth happened in a vision unto Moses how God created everything. Moses was in a vision outside of time that took 7 days to reveal unto Moses what God did in a blink of his eye. It doesn’t take God time to do anything, but it takes time for it to be revealed to us simpletons. The Bible says in, 

Psalms 33:9,

For when he spoke, the world began! It appeared at his command.

Most people think that it took God 7- 24 hour days to create the heavens and the earth but it didn’t. That’s what happens when we interpret the Bible with a carnal mind. 

[BeyondET]

Hmm a article I’ve read about what a day constituted then and now is compelling the answer was night before the crucifix is included as part of the first day and night same with first day of the week how time was counted differently then and now, in Esther 4:15 an 5:1 is a similar issue wouldn’t it be the fourth day upon seeing the king.

Esther 4

15 Then Esther asked them to answer Mordecai, 16 “Go, gather together all the Jews who are present in Shushan, and fast for me, and neither eat nor drink three days, night or day. I and my maidens will also fast the same way. Then I will go in to the king, which is against the law; and if I perish, I perish." 17 So Mordecai went his way, and did according to all that Esther had commanded him.

Esther 5

1 Now it happened on the third day that Esther put on her royal clothing, and stood in the inner court of the king's house, next to the king's house. The king sat on his royal throne in the royal house, next to the entrance of the house. 

Edited February 16, 2021 by BeyondET

[Frits]

9 hours ago, Eddy Crocker said:

From light to darkness is considered one day according to the Bible

Hi Eddy,

Would you please read that again bro?  Is that what your Bible says in Gen.1:5?

I think it says, 'And there was evening and there was morning, one day H3117.'

So not just "From light to darkness", but the whole makes a day. From light to darkness, back to light again.

American Standard Version
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day

Good News Translation
and he named the light "Day" and the darkness "Night." Evening passed and morning came--that was the first day.

 

9 hours ago, Eddy Crocker said:

The creation story how God created the heavens and the earth happened in a vision unto Moses how God created everything. Moses was in a vision outside of time that took 7 days to reveal unto Moses what God did in a blink of his eye. It doesn’t take God time to do anything

Indeed, to God the Father, one day is equal to a thousand years.  (2Pet.3:8)
And the duration of one day, is perhaps only 'a blink of His eye' for Him.  So then in Genesis He blinked His eyes six times, and He rested very briefly from it on the seventh day.  How long?  Just a blink of His eye.
I think that the greatness of God's creation and every detail in it, no justice is done this way.  Don't you agree?

God bless.

[Jaydub]

If Jesus was crucified on Wednesday, I am in agreement on the day, but my question is why did the women wait until Sunday to anoint the body?  

[Justin Adams]

No work allowed on the Sabbath.

He arose sundown on the Sabbath and was seen by Mary and Johanna.