THE ESSENCE OF JESUS MESSAGE

[Justin Adams]

7 minutes ago, Questioning said:

I prayed for an open mind, wisdom and ability to discern truth.  The doors were opened to get 3 college degrees (2 at Christian colleges), travel, and seeing the big picture of the world and religion.  My mind was opened to all possibilities, and will be for the rest of my life.  Otherwise, stagnation sets in.

Awaiting your answer to my question.

Ah that one. Angel on a pin head? Sorry. I do not have a really good answer to that old question.

"" How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? " Whether in jest or seriousness, the question is thought to be based on what Thomas Aquinas wrote in his Summa Theologica, (circa 1270 AD). In it he proposed several questions about angels, such as " Can several angels be in the same place?""

I would hazard one guess at a fair answer: "Any fool may ask a questions that a wise man cannot answer".

[Your closest friendnt]

32 minutes ago, Questioning said:

I prayed for an open mind, wisdom and ability to discern truth.  The doors were opened to get 3 college degrees (2 at Christian colleges), travel, and seeing the big picture of the world and religion.  My mind was opened to all possibilities, and will be for the rest of my life.  Otherwise, stagnation sets in.

Awaiting your answer to my question.

 you almost throw everything down the drain with your mocking question. 

Did you have to get educated to learn mocking? 

But I have to comment you for bringing Zeus into the discussion, because Paul knew that he was preaching the Gospel to followers of Zeus and wrote a lot of things as a guidance to those who were once followers of the Olympic God Zeus.

What was the catch that made the Zeus followers to leave him for Jesus Christ? 

I presume that you do not have the answer to that. 

Edited February 21, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[Waggles]

3 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Can you put some value behind those claims "this world is doomed," "judgment is at the door." "This world will burn. "

Yes it is called Bible prophecy and us being in the last of last days. Time is running out for everybody.

Malachi 4:1  “For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, when all the arrogant and all evildoers will be stubble. The day that is coming shall set them ablaze, says the LORD of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch. 
2  But for you who fear my name, the sun of righteousness shall rise with healing in its wings. You shall go out leaping like calves from the stall. 
3  And you shall tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet, on the day when I act, says the LORD of hosts. 

Psalm 21:9  You will make them as a blazing oven when you appear. The LORD will swallow them up in his wrath, and fire will consume them. 
10  You will destroy their descendants from the earth, and their offspring from among the children of man. 

Nahum 1:5  The mountains quake before him; the hills melt; the earth heaves before him, the world and all who dwell in it. 
6  Who can stand before his indignation? Who can endure the heat of his anger? His wrath is poured out like fire, and the rocks are broken into pieces by him. 

[Waggles]

2 hours ago, hdtwice said:

How do you come by 40k?..thank you

Before Adam (Genesis 2) God created other human beings (Genesis 1). 

There is a great deal of evidence in archaeology and anthropology to indicate 40,000 is the history of "modern" human beings. 

So the first peoples of creation were hunters and gatherers and of different racial types. Thus the diversity of humankind is not a story of evolution. 

[Charlie744]

4 minutes ago, Waggles said:

Before Adam (Genesis 2) God created other human beings (Genesis 1). 

There is a great deal of evidence in archaeology and anthropology to indicate 40,000 is the history of "modern" human beings. 

So the first peoples of creation were hunters and gatherers and of different racial types. Thus the diversity of humankind is not a story of evolution. 

Waggles, you are really starting to scare me! What in God's WORD in Genesis can possibly be interpreted there was anything before He made everything?

Charlie

[Waggles]

8 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Waggles, you are really starting to scare me! What in God's WORD in Genesis can possibly be interpreted there was anything before He made everything?

Charlie

As Dr Michael Heiser teaches learn from reading scripture rather than reading into scripture your beliefs.

You should not be scared of me as I am not alone in the knowledge of their being pre-Adamic people; for you cannot derive the diversity of the human races from supposedly two adults alone nor do we want to entertain notions of evolution. 

[Your closest friendnt]

27 minutes ago, Waggles said:

Yes it is called Bible prophecy and us being in the last of last days. Time is running out for everybody.

Malachi 4:1  “For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, when all the arrogant and all evildoers will be stubble. The day that is coming shall set them ablaze, says the LORD of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch. 
2  But for you who fear my name, the sun of righteousness shall rise with healing in its wings. You shall go out leaping like calves from the stall. 
3  And you shall tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet, on the day when I act, says the LORD of hosts. 

Psalm 21:9  You will make them as a blazing oven when you appear. The LORD will swallow them up in his wrath, and fire will consume them. 
10  You will destroy their descendants from the earth, and their offspring from among the children of man. 

Nahum 1:5  The mountains quake before him; the hills melt; the earth heaves before him, the world and all who dwell in it. 
6  Who can stand before his indignation? Who can endure the heat of his anger? His wrath is poured out like fire, and the rocks are broken into pieces by him. 

You see literal fire, this is your problem. 

  John the Baptist did not talk about literal fire.

 

[Justin Adams]

5 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Waggles, you are really starting to scare me! What in God's WORD in Genesis can possibly be interpreted there was anything before He made everything?

Charlie

It comes from the idea that Gen 1-3 is a possible slight translational error or mismatch. It was a 'theological' translation really. 

The Hebrew basically says, "beginning God created heavens earth", He then did stuff in Gen 3. Verses One and two are maybe intros. However, there is no substantiation to the 'many peoples' idea or the 'gap theory'. That does NOT hold water. The Hebrew idioms are without 'the' pronouns or the vowels, so it is very difficult to parse. One 'might' extrapolate all kinds of things to the unnecessary, but taking it to those extremes is incorrect. 

[Charlie744]

Just now, Waggles said:

As Dr Michael Heiser teaches learn from reading scripture rather than reading into scripture your beliefs.

You should not be scared of me as I am not alone in the knowledge of their being pre-Adamic people; for you cannot derive the diversity of the human races from supposedly two adults alone nor do we want to entertain notions of evolution. 

Wait a minute.... I am not the one who is reading into Scripture what God did not include.... I believe that might just be you doing that.... 

Forget Heiser, I would simply ask you to read what God wrote through Moses in Genesis 1... He is quite clear and does not need Heiser to add to or correct HIM>

So, would you please tell me what in Genesis is causing you to have this pre-adamic interpretation?

Thanks, Charlie

[Waggles]

1 minute ago, Charlie744 said:

So, would you please tell me what in Genesis is causing you to have this pre-adamic interpretation?

We digress from the OP - I suggest if others want to chat about Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 then that should be a new thread.