Rapture questions

[The Light]

10 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

Pure conjecture and Darby stuff. All highly suspect. But if you like it, that is OK.

I am unaware that Darby believed in two raptures. In fact, I don't know what he believed as I have never read anything about his beliefs. But if you read the Word of God, you should be able to figure out that the Church is in heaven before the 70th week of Daniel begins. Then you should be able to see that the 12 tribes across the earth are raptured before the wrath of God begins. Which leaves the nation of Israel to their protected place during the wrath. Then the second coming happens. 

[WailingWall]

20 hours ago, The Light said:

Exactly. So what you contend, that we will not be raptured to heaven, is false and incorrect.

It can be proven what you are saying is wrong many ways and the only proof you present to support your false contention is scripture taken out of context...../.

 

So prove it using scripture and not opinion. YIKES! My very 1st question was to show me scripture proving you go to heaven at Darbys rapture event. Not 1 scripture was posted. 

[WailingWall]

On 2/28/2021 at 11:03 AM, The Light said:

 

As for John 3, that little word HATH tells the story. No man HATH ascended to heaven. However, when Jesus pays the price for sin with His perfect sacrifice, then we may go to heaven where He is.

 

Your one of the few Rapturist who dont believe Enoch and Elijah were raptured to heaven (according to what you wrote on 2/28).

 

[The Light]

13 hours ago, WailingWall said:

So prove it using scripture and not opinion. YIKES! My very 1st question was to show me scripture proving you go to heaven at Darbys rapture event. Not 1 scripture was posted. 

LOL, 1st I know nothing about Darbys rapture. What book of Bible did he write? If you are referring to the rapture spoken of by Paul or John or Jesus, I have already posted plenty of scriptures showing that there are people that are in heaven after the rapture. 

We can see in Rev 4 and 5 that there are people in heaven before the seals are opened. The seals are the 70th week of Daniel and are the tribulation period. Do you need me to post the exact verses? Or are you capable of figuring it out. We can see the gathering from heaven and earth spoken of by Jesus in Matt 24, and by John in Rev 6 and Rev 7 and Rev 14. We can see the church in heaven and the seed of the woman, Israel, being pursued by the dragon during the tribulation in Revelation 12. We can see the 12 tribes in heaven singing the song of Moses after they are raptured in Rev 15. We can also see the armies of the Lord leaving heaven in Rev 19. Additionally we can see the 1st fruits of the harvest, the 144,000, in heaven in Rev 14. I have already posted most of these verses. Let me know what you don't understand and I will be happy to repost the verses that you seem to have missed. 

[WailingWall]

On 2/28/2021 at 11:03 AM, The Light said:

Please. The reason in John 7 that they cannot come where Jesus goes is because they do not believe that Jesus is the prophesied Messiah. 

John 14

⁶ Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

We also see that there are many mansions in the fathers house which is in heaven. We see that Jesus goes to prepare a place that where He is we may be also.

And where is He?

JOHN 14 [1] Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. [2] In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I WILL COME AGAIN, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

And so shall we ever be with the Lord. Ya see what the scriptures say. HE WILL COME AGAIN. He doesnt say a word about going back to heaven with Him. He’s coming back to earth as He said He would.

REVELATION 21 [1] And I saw a NEW HEAVEN AND A NEW EARTH: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.[2]And I John saw the holy city, NEW JERUSALEM, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.[3]And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, BEHOLD, THE TABERNACLE OF GOD IS WITH MEN, AND HE WILL DWELL WITH THEM, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God

And so shall we ever be with the Lord

1 THES. 4  [16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with THE VOICE of the archangel, and with THE TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them IN THE CLOUDS, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 

[The Light]

15 hours ago, WailingWall said:

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And where is He?

He is currently in heaven.

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JOHN 14 [1] Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. [2] In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I WILL COME AGAIN, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

And so shall we ever be with the Lord. Ya see what the scriptures say. HE WILL COME AGAIN. He doesnt say a word about going back to heaven with Him. He’s coming back to earth as He said He would.

 

He is coming in a secret pretrib rapture to rapture the Church, which we see in heaven in Rev 4, Rev 5, Rev 7 and Rev 12. So what you are saying can be proven to be incorrect.

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REVELATION 21 [1] And I saw a NEW HEAVEN AND A NEW EARTH: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.[2]And I John saw the holy city, NEW JERUSALEM, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.[3]And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, BEHOLD, THE TABERNACLE OF GOD IS WITH MEN, AND HE WILL DWELL WITH THEM, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God

And so shall we ever be with the Lord

1 THES. 4  [16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with THE VOICE of the archangel, and with THE TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them IN THE CLOUDS, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 

 

Sure we will be with the Lord. He will come and take us to where He is preparing a place for us. It will be the New Jerusalem. After the marriage supper of the Lamb we will return to earth as part of the armies of the Lord. After that event occurs THEN the new Jerusalem will come down from heaven.

I'm not sure why you are having trouble agreeing with what the scripture clearly says. This shouldn't even be a question as to whether we are raptured to heaven as the scripture tells this happens multiple times. Your denying of the truth is the problem here as it is clearly written that we will be in heaven.

Rev 19

And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

It's not even a question as to whether the people go to heaven before they return to earth as part of the army of God. The question is, why don't you believe the written Word of God.

 

[WilliamL]

On 3/1/2021 at 8:13 PM, The Light said:

But if you read the Word of God, you should be able to figure out that the Church is in heaven before the 70th week of Daniel begins.

Then they were raptured before 66 A.D.

Or else your presumption is just that, a presumption.

[The Light]

17 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Then they were raptured before 66 A.D.

Or else your presumption is just that, a presumption.

I'm not following what they have to be raptured before 66 A.D.

[WilliamL]

On 3/4/2021 at 4:31 PM, WilliamL said:

On 3/1/2021 at 8:13 PM, The Light said:

But if you read the Word of God, you should be able to figure out that the Church is in heaven before the 70th week of Daniel begins.

Then they were raptured before 66 A.D.

 

On 3/5/2021 at 10:18 AM, The Light said:

I'm not following what they have to be raptured before 66 A.D.

Because that is when the 70th week began; ended in 73 A.D.

[The Light]

2 hours ago, WilliamL said:

 

Because that is when the 70th week began; ended in 73 A.D.

Kind of figured that's what you meant. 

The 70th week will not begin until the fulness of the Gentiles comes in. Then part of Israel will see that Jesus is the Messiah, as God keeps His promise to His chosen people.