Believers and non believers; what's the difference?

[Peterlag]

1 hour ago, Riverwalker said:

So its positional not conditional. Great but what does that change if anything

The spirit of Christ is in us and it's not conditional. That's are new birth. We are in Christ when we are walking in the spirit and not walking by our old dead nature that we had in Adam.

We undergo a miraculous exchange at the center of our being once we have the spirit of Christ. Who we were in Adam is no longer there. We become a new person because we are now a child of God who is in Christ.

 

The key event causing this exchange is a death, burial, and resurrection with Christ. This miraculous exchange is not figurative or symbolic, but literal and actual.

 

The spiritual part of every Christian has literally and actually been crucified, buried, and raised with Christ. The fact that this occurs spiritually and not physically doesn’t make it any less real.

 

So what happens to the old self that was in Adam? The old self is entirely obliterated once a person is in Christ.

[luigi]

9 hours ago, Josheb said:

I think you need to find a new bunch of Christians with which to fellowship. I also think you need to read your Bible more attentively. Acts, the epistolary and Revelation are filled with reports of decidedly unloving acts. Not a single word of correction in the epistolary would have been needed were the first century Christians loving and providing. That statement is so skewed it borders on delusion. Do I really need to quote a series of scriptures reporting on the unloving acts fo the first century Christians? I'll gladly do so if you really dispute this. 

Assuming the truth of what I just posted is recognized and acknowledge it is now clear you've been working from an idealized view of early Christianity and a polarized view of modern Christianity. 

Normalize it. 

Normalize it with God's Word, not modern false teaching that indicts and accuses the Church. 

Do you know what the Bible calls those who unjustly accuse the Church seeking to divide it? Seriously. I have asked this question may times and rare is the poster who will answer it. Do you know the answer?

I am aware that soon after the good news was delivered by the disciples to the early 1st century churches, that the devil soon afterwards used his tares among the churches to introduce false doctrine. But you must realize, that from the 1st century to today, a great deal more erroneous teachings have been introduced by the devil and his tares. The Lord speaks of these tares among the wheat throughout the bible and that He will soon shake the earth, in order to shake out the false things among us, thereby leaving only the true things that cannot be shaken out.

[luigi]

9 hours ago, Peterlag said:

The word "in" that you are using in places like 1 John 4:16 does not mean to believe in something. The Greek is being or remaining within, with the primary idea of rest in any  place or thing.

In addition to believing IN Christ for what He represents, we also have scriptures to believe ON Christ. IN Christ or ON Christ, both are to believe IN/ON the beliefs and teachings of Christ.

[luigi]

9 hours ago, Riverwalker said:

That is incorrect.  They tried "socialism" and it failed, as it has failed in every society from Pilgrims on

Leading Paul to write :

2 Thess 3:10For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat.

There was no political agenda a group of common 1st century individuals in the book of Acts were attempting to accomplish; they were just loving each other as themselves. The devil soon afterwards, initiated persecution of they who loved their neighbor as themselves, and scattered them out from Jerusalem (Acts 8:1).

[Peterlag]

2 hours ago, luigi said:

In addition to believing IN Christ for what He represents, we also have scriptures to believe ON Christ. IN Christ or ON Christ, both are to believe IN/ON the beliefs and teachings of Christ.

Then you will stay with the concept of Jesus Christ and him crucified. And you will never get past the beginning if you do not understand being in Christ is being in the spirit.

[luigi]

19 minutes ago, Peterlag said:

Then you will stay with the concept of Jesus Christ and him crucified. And you will never get past the beginning if you do not understand being in Christ is being in the spirit.

I do agree with you that to be IN Christ is to be with Him in the Spirit. And to be with Christ in the Spirit, I must believe IN and ON what Christ believes and professes, which is love.

Let me ask you a simple question: If I say I believe in Christ, but I love attending some individuals hate rallies; do I believe IN love, or do I believe in hate, and am therefore Antichrist? 

Edited February 17, 2021 by luigi

[Peterlag]

42 minutes ago, luigi said:

I do agree with you that to be IN Christ is to be with Him in the Spirit. And to be with Christ in the Spirit, I must believe IN and ON what Christ believes and professes, which is love.

Let me ask you a simple question: If I say I believe in Christ, but I love attending some individuals hate rallies; do I believe IN love, or do I believe in hate, and am therefore Antichrist? 

 

We still are not on the same page. I don't follow after what Jesus believes. I consider myself dead in Christ.

 

We undergo a miraculous exchange at the center of our being once we have the spirit of Christ. Who we were in Adam is no longer there. We become a new person because we are now a child of God who is in Christ.

 

The key event causing this exchange is a death, burial, and resurrection with Christ. This miraculous exchange is not figurative or symbolic, but literal and actual.

 

The spiritual part of every Christian has literally and actually been crucified, buried, and raised with Christ. The fact that this occurs spiritually and not physically doesn’t make it any less real.

 

So what happens to the old self that was in Adam? The old self is entirely obliterated once a person is in Christ.

[DeighAnn]

4 minutes ago, Peterlag said:

We still are not on the same page. I don't follow after what Jesus believes. I consider myself dead in Christ.

How can you be 'dead' when Christ is life?  Sure, the flesh may be dead, but dead flesh has nothing to do with BECOMING/BEING MADE SPIRITUALLY ALIVE, a new creature. 

Dead, death, darkness those are ALL of EVIL, not of Christ.  

1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

  

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on Him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death UNTO LIFE. 

 

WE ARE RISEN WITH CHRIST WHEN WE ACCEPT HIM, 
Colossians 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Colossians 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

Colossians 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

Colossians 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with Him in glory.

Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry

Colossians 3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience

Colossians 3:7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

[Riverwalker]

3 hours ago, luigi said:

There was no political agenda a group of common 1st century individuals in the book of Acts were attempting to accomplish; they were just loving each other as themselves. The devil soon afterwards, initiated persecution of they who loved their neighbor as themselves, and scattered them out from Jerusalem (Acts 8:1).

Socialism is an economic system (like capitalism) not a political system

[luigi]

1 hour ago, Peterlag said:

 

We still are not on the same page. I don't follow after what Jesus believes. I consider myself dead in Christ.

 

We undergo a miraculous exchange at the center of our being once we have the spirit of Christ. Who we were in Adam is no longer there. We become a new person because we are now a child of God who is in Christ.

 

The key event causing this exchange is a death, burial, and resurrection with Christ. This miraculous exchange is not figurative or symbolic, but literal and actual.

 

The spiritual part of every Christian has literally and actually been crucified, buried, and raised with Christ. The fact that this occurs spiritually and not physically doesn’t make it any less real.

 

So what happens to the old self that was in Adam? The old self is entirely obliterated once a person is in Christ.

If you are in sync with Christs Spirit, you then would believe IN love and not hate.

 

 

Edited February 17, 2021 by luigi