WHO was Mohammed???

[DaBronx]

Look.. I am a Muslim, someone I know who's Christian told me about this web site, so i thought about coming here trying to discover some new things about Christianity and what you think.

From what i see, it looks like you really hate Muslims, and that some of you judge us by these terrorists who are ruding the was that Islam looks.

btw uvn477, the Koran is what God says not Mohammed so u cant say that he said something about himself in the koran.

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Hi Lude,

I also think that people here don't hate Muslims but the Bible clearly warns us to beware of false religions and prophets... We know they DO exist.

It is possible that as children (or adults) we were taught things that just were not true... Let's keep an open mind and a whole new world will be revealed to us.

It really is a matter of life and death.

In Christ,

Lorry

[uvn477]

For the record, I'd like to say that I don't hate Muslims. Some of my best friends are Muslims and I've even dated a few in my lifetime. Now that that's cleared up, lets get on with why I think Islam is a false religion.

First, reiteration of Jesus. The fact that Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet yet not the savior is incomprehensible. Especially when Jesus himself says he is the son of God. If Jesus was a prophet wouldn't this have been blasphemous? Yet the Muslim people look to Jesus as a man of God.

Second, the rewards of heaven stated in the Koran are the same things Satan promises to his followers. Rewards being material things instead of eternal love and fellowship with one's creator.

Third, in Islam, one cannot be guaranteed salvation. Even if a person believes, that alone is not enough to save them. They have to do something worthwhile to get in. This is why we have so many extremist terrorism. They believe by dying in Allah's name and killing Allah's enemies in the process this guarantees them entry into heaven.

Fourth, the only sin the Bible says is unforgivable is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. In our present day, this means not accepting Jesus as the savior. The Koran holds many of the same morals as the Bible does. However, this is one thing Islam prohibits. The belief in Jesus. This leads me to believe Islam was a product of Satan to trick so many.

And lastly, Islam has been spread to only certain ethnic groups. In fact, a Muslim friend of mine says he doesn't bother spreading the Koran because it really isn't commanded by Allah. Spreading the truth in the Koran is not as important as it is in the Christian religion. Christianity has managed to embrace everyone of all races and cultures. From the rich to the poor. From the weak to the strong. Islam has not.

Of course I have many more arguements but I don't have the time to discuss everything so feel free to send me a message if you wish.

[Can Do (Phil 4:13)]

For the record, I'd like to say that I don't hate Muslims. Some of my best friends are Muslims and I've even dated a few in my lifetime. Now that that's cleared up, lets get on with why I think Islam is a false religion.

First, reiteration of Jesus. The fact that Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet yet not the savior is incomprehensible. Especially when Jesus himself says he is the son of God. If Jesus was a prophet wouldn't this have been blasphemous? Yet the Muslim people look to Jesus as a man of God.

Second, the rewards of heaven stated in the Koran are the same things Satan promises to his followers. Rewards being material things instead of eternal love and fellowship with one's creator.

Third, in Islam, one cannot be guaranteed salvation. Even if a person believes, that alone is not enough to save them. They have to do something worthwhile to get in. This is why we have so many extremist terrorism. They believe by dying in Allah's name and killing Allah's enemies in the process this guarantees them entry into heaven.

Fourth, the only sin the Bible says is unforgivable is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. In our present day, this means not accepting Jesus as the savior. The Koran holds many of the same morals as the Bible does. However, this is one thing Islam prohibits. The belief in Jesus. This leads me to believe Islam was a product of Satan to trick so many.

And lastly, Islam has been spread to only certain ethnic groups. In fact, a Muslim friend of mine says he doesn't bother spreading the Koran because it really isn't commanded by Allah. Spreading the truth in the Koran is not as important as it is in the Christian religion. Christianity has managed to embrace everyone of all races and cultures. From the rich to the poor. From the weak to the strong. Islam has not.

Of course I have many more arguements but I don't have the time to discuss everything so feel free to send me a message if you wish.

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[Can Do (Phil 4:13)]

For the record, I'd like to say that I don't hate Muslims. Some of my best friends are Muslims and I've even dated a few in my lifetime. Now that that's cleared up, lets get on with why I think Islam is a false religion.

First, reiteration of Jesus. The fact that Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet yet not the savior is incomprehensible. Especially when Jesus himself says he is the son of God. If Jesus was a prophet wouldn't this have been blasphemous? Yet the Muslim people look to Jesus as a man of God.

Second, the rewards of heaven stated in the Koran are the same things Satan promises to his followers. Rewards being material things instead of eternal love and fellowship with one's creator.

Third, in Islam, one cannot be guaranteed salvation. Even if a person believes, that alone is not enough to save them. They have to do something worthwhile to get in. This is why we have so many extremist terrorism. They believe by dying in Allah's name and killing Allah's enemies in the process this guarantees them entry into heaven.

Fourth, the only sin the Bible says is unforgivable is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. In our present day, this means not accepting Jesus as the savior. The Koran holds many of the same morals as the Bible does. However, this is one thing Islam prohibits. The belief in Jesus. This leads me to believe Islam was a product of Satan to trick so many.

And lastly, Islam has been spread to only certain ethnic groups. In fact, a Muslim friend of mine says he doesn't bother spreading the Koran because it really isn't commanded by Allah. Spreading the truth in the Koran is not as important as it is in the Christian religion. Christianity has managed to embrace everyone of all races and cultures. From the rich to the poor. From the weak to the strong. Islam has not.

Of course I have many more arguements but I don't have the time to discuss everything so feel free to send me a message if you wish.

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What a well written, well thought post Uvn! Are you able to write more about this subject? I am very interested in what you write.

Faithie

[JesusisGod2]

Gerioke  Aug 9 2005, 07:19 PM Post #12 

(shiloh357 @ Aug 9 2005, 09:51 PM)

I would not take it that far.  Islam is far worse to Judaism, than Mormanism is to Christianity.  I don't see Mormons calling for the blood of Christians. 

Islam has no ties to Judaism.  They are like night and day.  Islam is a blood thirsty violent religion bent upon one day making the world Islam either by conversion or by the sword.  Judaism has no such aspirations.

How can Abraham possibly be a jew if islam is in the lineage of abraham?

I know, this qustion belongs in another thread.

Hi Gerioke,

This is not off topic at all. Abraham is the father of many nations. as far as Ishmael, here is what the scriptures say:

Genesis 17:18-21 (New American Standard Bible)

18 And Abraham said to God, "Oh that Ishmael might live before You!"

19 But God said, "No, but Sarah your wife will bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; and I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him.

20 "As for Ishmael, I have heard you; behold, I will bless him, and will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly He shall become the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.

21 "But My covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you at this season next year."

The nation of Islam has been blessed indeed, just look at the oil, the number of people, etc.

But Gods covenant is is established through Isaac through whom the Jewish lineage comes. Both Islam and Jews have their lineage through Abraham, through two of his children.

hope that helps!

In Jesus

kevin

[Guest Lude]

First, reiteration of Jesus. The fact that Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet yet not the savior is incomprehensible. Especially when Jesus himself says he is the son of God. If Jesus was a prophet wouldn't this have been blasphemous? Yet the Muslim people look to Jesus as a man of God.

Thats Because we believe that the Bible has been corrupted.

Second, the rewards of heaven stated in the Koran are the same things Satan promises to his followers. Rewards being material things instead of eternal love and fellowship with one's creator.

Read the Koran first, then we can talk about what heaven is for Muslims

Third, in Islam, one cannot be guaranteed salvation. Even if a person believes, that alone is not enough to save them. They have to do something worthwhile to get in. This is why we have so many extremist terrorism. They believe by dying in Allah's name and killing Allah's enemies in the process this guarantees them entry into heaven.

How would you feel when you die in the name of God? Because It's right that we believe that dying in Allah's name would help us in the process of going to heaven. but not in the way that today's terrorism do. Thats why you find alot of Muslims who don't want such things to happen, as i said they are ruding the way Islam looks

Fourth, the only sin the Bible says is unforgivable is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. In our present day, this means not accepting Jesus as the savior. The Koran holds many of the same morals as the Bible does. However, this is one thing Islam prohibits. The belief in Jesus. This leads me to believe Islam was a product of Satan to trick so many.

Just like i said, it's because we believe that the Bible has been corrupted.

And lastly, Islam has been spread to only certain ethnic groups. In fact, a Muslim friend of mine says he doesn't bother spreading the Koran because it really isn't commanded by Allah. Spreading the truth in the Koran is not as important as it is in the Christian religion. Christianity has managed to embrace everyone of all races and cultures. From the rich to the poor. From the weak to the strong. Islam has not.

Sorry but thats totally wrong, because Islam also has managed to embrace everyone of all races and cultures. From the rich to the poor. From the weak to the strong.

About your Muslim Friend, he's what I call an UNFAITHFUL person. And if you go to someone Christian who's the same as your friend, this person will tell you the same thing. So you can't count on people like these

[uvn477]

Lude, you seem to think I've never read the Koran. Before I converted to Christianity, I was leaning toward Islam. However, many things about Allah just didn't seem right. After researching history on Christianity and Islam, I've found that the Koran is just a corrupted form of the Bible.

Now I understand that Muslims believe the Bible is corrupted. But look into the history of that claim. How could it have been corrupted. When? By who? The scriptures we have now are the same scriptures the 1st century Christians used. These were written by the apostles themselves. Who would you rather believe? The people who were the closest to Jesus or someone who came nearly 600 years later?

Heaven in the Koran does not mention anything for women. In fact, women are seen as objects to be used for the pleasure of men. And also why would Allah promise worldly treasure in heaven? Jewels and fine clothes for example. Is this what Muslims seek instead of fellowship with one's creator?

Prayer by Muslims I think is one of the most disturbing things to me. I've learned that many Muslims don't pray to Allah as if they have a relationship with him. In fact, they quote verses from the Koran while bowing towards Mecca. Now I'm not saying all Muslims do this but a great many of them do. I just can't see the relationship between man and Allah.

I've heard testimony from many Muslims who converted to Christianity. I've also talked to many faithful Muslims also. They all have one thing in common with the religion. Fear. Fear is what all Muslims possess. Unlike Jesus who expressed love, Allah works with fear. I've heard so many of my Muslim friends stressing and venting because they are afraid of angering Allah. That they will not be good enough to get into heaven.

You are probably right about my friend being unfaithful. However, I still do not see Muslims going all over the world, risking their lives in trying to spread the Koran. We had missionaries go into Afghanistan when the Taliban were still there. We have underground churches set up in countries where being a Christian is a crime punishable by death. I've found that no other religion is willing to do this. Sure some people are willing to die for Allah. But why don't Muslims go door to door to spread the Gospel? Why don't they set up booths or charities to spread the truth? Why is the Koran still a number 2 best seller instead of number one? Is Allah second best in the world?

Everything touched by Christianity has come up first. Jesus was the most influential person in history. There is no denying that. Christianity is still the largest religion. The Bible is still the best selling book in history. Christianity still has the most missions around the world. Even today, the US, who sends out the most missions in the world, has grown into the leading world power. Is all this coincidence or is it blessings?

I will let you decide that.

[Guest Nur]

It looks like you are saying some things you don't know about Islam. Or that you didn't learn about Islam right. So, sorry I can't continue with you because you have some wrong information about Islam.

I just have one last thing i wanna say, that Muslims are trying their best to spread the truth, and u can see that clear where you live, where ever you live.

Anyway, I hope we all find the truth and the right way to go through.

[ayin jade]

Muslims do their best to spread what they think is the truth, but what is clearly not the truth about God. Sorry Nur, if you think that islam contains the truth. It doesnt.

[uvn477]

Muslims do their best to spread what they think is the truth, but what is clearly not the truth about God. Sorry Nur, if you think that islam contains the truth. It doesnt.

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Amen Avin. In order to find the truth, there are times when you have to go into religious history. Understand the history of your religion and you will know if its the truth or not. Unfortunately for Muslims, their history just doesn't make sense with the history of Christianity or any other type of history for that matter. Their outrageous claims such as the Bible being corrupted or them being the original inheritors of Moses instead of the Jews is not backed up by historical evidence. In fact, all historical evidence points to the Jews who have always laid claim to the Holy Land. And when asked for evidence as to how the Bible is corrupted, Muslims cannot answer it. The Bible has always been the same since the beginning of Christianity. There are some Muslims who would go so far as to say the apostles corrupted it. This is not only blasphemous but there is no evidence of it. I suggest all Muslims to trace down the roots of Islam and Christianity and see what makes sense and what doesn't. I guarantee many of you will be surprised.