By His stripes we are healed of what?

[Whyme]

20 minutes ago, Jaydub said:

I totally understand, I have lost loved ones, so what do we do with all the healing scripture?

It is my belief that we stand strong in our faith believing God does still heal, believing in the scriptures, I pray believing that he can and still does heal, but if God does not heal, I trust and believe he is faithful and my loved ones are in his loving arms

Is your belief based on scripture? What scripture could you give to those without hope?

[Waggles]

30 minutes ago, Whyme said:

What about those who don't get healed? They must not belong to the Lord? What about children at shriners hospital and st jude's hospital? These kids who don't get miraculous healing don't belong to God? Where is their hope if they don't belong to Jesus? If they do belong why are they not healed?

It is about to what degree do people both believe in the promises of God and conform to the word of God. 

So as a practicing Roman Catholic I was in a church that had some rare instances of miraculous healings (very far and few between) and where I live in a German Lutheran rural community out of 5,000 church goers there is only one testimony to a woman being healed by faith and prayer. 

But when I repented and was converted by the full gospel of salvation and became a Pentecostal Christian I immediately enjoyed numerous miracles and was even able to pray for those outside of my church and they also received miracles and healings. 

1: there is a right way according to the word of God. One that truly demonstrates the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit as we read of in Acts and the epistles: the kingdom of God is of the Holy Spirit and power.

2: These signs shall follow them that believe > believing the word and the promises of God. Expect a miracle everyday we sing. We walk by faith and not in denial of the word of God. No red biros crossing out unwanted verses. Jesus healed. The apostles healed. Disciples healed. We do likewise. 

3: Worldly Christians who do not believe in healings and miracles and censor the word of God are not likely to receive healings and miracles because it is not part of their faith and doctrine. 

4: Worldly Christians do belong to God, but unfortunately limit their relationship with and benefits from God by following the teachings of men who founded their denominations. 

[Waggles]

1 minute ago, Whyme said:

What scripture could you give to those without hope?

Why would they be without hope? 

Fanny Crosby the great hymn writer was blind from birth and died blind. But she rejoiced in her salvation and said that when she gained her eyesight in the afterlife the first person she would see in her life would be Jesus. 

[Whyme]

19 minutes ago, Waggles said:

It is about to what degree do people both believe in the promises of God and conform to the word of God. 

So as a practicing Roman Catholic I was in a church that had some rare instances of miraculous healings (very far and few between) and where I live in a German Lutheran rural community out of 5,000 church goers there is only one testimony to a woman being healed by faith and prayer. 

But when I repented and was converted by the full gospel of salvation and became a Pentecostal Christian I immediately enjoyed numerous miracles and was even able to pray for those outside of my church and they also received miracles and healings. 

1: there is a right way according to the word of God. One that truly demonstrates the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit as we read of in Acts and the epistles: the kingdom of God is of the Holy Spirit and power.

2: These signs shall follow them that believe > believing the word and the promises of God. Expect a miracle everyday we sing. We walk by faith and not in denial of the word of God. No red biros crossing out unwanted verses. Jesus healed. The apostles healed. Disciples healed. We do likewise. 

3: Worldly Christians who do not believe in healings and miracles and censor the word of God are not likely to receive healings and miracles because it is not part of their faith and doctrine. 

4: Worldly Christians do belong to God, but unfortunately limit their relationship with and benefits from God by following the teachings of men who founded their denominations. 

Do all have the gift of healing? No. So your answer is that those children at st Jude and shriners is that they are worldly?

[Charlie744]

9 minutes ago, Whyme said:

Do all have the gift of healing? No. So your answer is that those children at st Jude and shriners is that they are worldly?

Whyme, your original topic centers on Isaiah 53 and whether it concerns a physical or spiritual healing.....

I have responded earlier in that, for me, it speaks loudly of a spiritual saving - where the Messiah will come and be the perfect sacrifice for our sins.

I am not sure what your opinion is on Isaiah 53... and how one who may have been given certain "gifts" by God are in concert with one another.... 

For you, are these two separate issues? Sorry for not putting this together.....

Is Isaiah 53 a separate question from "gifts"?

Do you question "gifts" because some are healed and some are not?

Thanks, Charlie

 

[Whyme]

26 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Whyme, your original topic centers on Isaiah 53 and whether it concerns a physical or spiritual healing.....

I have responded earlier in that, for me, it speaks loudly of a spiritual saving - where the Messiah will come and be the perfect sacrifice for our sins.

I am not sure what your opinion is on Isaiah 53... and how one who may have been given certain "gifts" by God are in concert with one another.... 

For you, are these two separate issues? Sorry for not putting this together.....

Is Isaiah 53 a separate question from "gifts"?

Do you question "gifts" because some are healed and some are not?

Thanks, Charlie

 

Someone mentioned signs of healing and I said not all have that gift. 

[Whyme]

So I can tell children dying of cancer what? God heals all their diseases but not yours?

[Charlie744]

1 minute ago, Whyme said:

So I can tell children dying of cancer what? God heals all their diseases but not yours?

Ok, I understand..... have you read JOB? I would recommend it ...... You are NO different than a gazillion people in that we can not understand how a loving God could allow all these horrible things to happen in the world. And to your point specifically, if this same God told us He will give us a number of "Gifts", and one of those gifts is one of healing, why can't at least one of us on this planet heal all or some or whatever a number of all these diseases, cancer, etc.

This just happens to be just a little short of my pay grade so this is why I recommended the Book of Job......

Something that will NOT make you or anyone feel better, ESPECIALLY if you or one of your loved ones is involved in these horrible type of illnesses, but somewhere in the Scriptures (maybe Paul) tells us that there is absolutely nothing on this side of Heaven that we would not want to accept and go through (no matter how horrific and painful this thing is) when compared to the glory of being with Him in Heaven.... 

It is extremely difficult and maybe even impossible to imagine how anyone on this side could really understand and accept this ...... but God does not make mistakes and has a perfect reason for everything. 

Please let me know your thoughts on this, Charlie

 

 

[Waggles]

On 2/23/2021 at 6:28 AM, Riverwalker said:

4 Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we [esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5 But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes[m] we are healed.

This is prophecy of what was to come after Golgotha and Jesus being glorified in heaven > the outpouring of the Holy Spirit > gifts of the Holy Spirit for the benefit and comfort of the Spirit-filled church > these signs shall follow them that believe the gospel.

Prophecy concerning that we shall be healed spiritually, emotionally and bodily according to our faith and the will of God working within us (and others). 

Thus we have the salvation of our souls along with people being healed from depression or anxiety; violence, witchcraft, drug addiction, diseases and ailments. 

1Cor 2:4  and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 
5  so that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God. 

[Whyme]

15 minutes ago, Waggles said:

This is prophecy of what was to come after Golgotha and Jesus being glorified in heaven > the outpouring of the Holy Spirit > gifts of the Holy Spirit for the benefit and comfort of the Spirit-filled church > these signs shall follow them that believe the gospel.

Prophecy concerning that we shall be healed spiritually, emotionally and bodily according to our faith and the will of God working within us (and others). 

Thus we have the salvation of our souls along with people being healed from depression or anxiety; violence, witchcraft, drug addiction, diseases and ailments. 

1Cor 2:4  and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 
5  so that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God. 

I think you might have  1 Co 2:4 scripture out of context. Paul is talking about himself an apostle. We are not apostles.