CNN and abortion add

[artsylady]

Thanks for the info SJ.

I agree that the baby in this scenario would probably have naturally died in the womb.

[NITE OWL]

As you wish.

You have your walk, I have mine.

[seraph]

We do have our own walks, but God shows us the road to follow. And in regards to life... I believe the Word of God expresses it's value in that we were made in God's image and that Jesus thought us valuable enough to die for us rather than dispose of us as trash.

If nothing is wrong with pro-choice-to-abort-a-baby... if it isn't wrong then there's no need to not finish that statement by saying pro-choice.period, but call it what it is if there is no shame... pro-choice-to-have-an-abortion, pro-choice-to-fill-in-the-blank

Psalms 139

139:13You made all the delicate, inner parts of my body and knit me together in my mother's womb.

139:14Thank you for making me so wonderfully complex! Your workmanship is marvelous

Edited August 23, 2005 by seraph

[nebula]

I had a friend who at one time opened up about having had an abortion.

She told us a side to abortion rarely heard about - what it is actually like inside the clinics.

I believe anyone who is "pro-choice" ought to spend some time volunteering/working inside an abortion clinic.

I'd like to see how many of them still support the abortion choice after having been there regularly for at least a month.

[artsylady]

When a woman has an abortion, she is a murderer, as is the so-called doctor who performs it. How do they feel being called a murderer? I hope they feel enough guilt to admit what they did was wrong and repent. Patting them on the shoulder and telling them it is alright is not the answer. They should be an emotional wreck and feel awful for what they did. If I murdered someone I would feel guilty. Why shouldn't they?

Yes, these women made a choice and will give an account for it. The problem is, the baby wasnt' given a choice to live or die. If another human being wasn't involved in this matter, I would agree with you, but since there is an innocent baby involved, I feel perfectly justified in doing what I could to make the atmosphere so bad at the abortion mill that women would think twice about going inside.

I kind of agree with this and kind of don't. I definitely think the doctors who are performing the abortions should feel like murderers and should feel guilt etcetera and everything. They know full well what they are doing. Many doctors and nurses quit performing abortions once ultrasound technology came around and once more was learned on how the baby develops. However many obviously did not quit.

The women - I feel sorry for them because they are lied to. They aren't presented with the full truth and that's the only reason I feel badly for them. They may feel guilt ahead of time contemplating this procedure but they are lied to and told that the 'fetus' is not really a baby and other blatant lies. The pro abortionists don't explain things fully for a good reason. As well, because abortion is legal, they may not feel like it's wrong.

I know women who have had abortions and do feel horrible about it.

[artsylady]

Perhaps Pro Life organizations should add a new angle to the fight because what they are trying to acheive is simply not working. Well, actually, it may be working in preventing more abortions but it doesn't appear to be working in changing any laws.

Perhaps they should try to have new laws wherein the full procedure by law must be explained in detail to the patient before the operation. This should include diagrams on what the baby looks like, what parts are currently functioning, what parts are developed, what the heart is doing, etc. As well, the patient should be made fully aware of what will happen to the baby during the procedure. Example, during the saline method, it should be explained that salt will poison the baby and it will take several minutes, while the baby will writhe in pain, before it is over.

Surely the pro choice people would not be about ignorance, would they!??? Surely, a full explanation of the procedures would not be difficult to get passed! Who on earth could be about providing full medical details to a potential patient?

[NITE OWL]

Why don't you run tv commercials. The anti-smoking people do.

Instead of explaining an abortion, show them. Show them the tiny hands and feet. The whole time the heartbeat of a unborn child is playing in the background. Show them an ultrasound of that beating heart. Explain how a baby is ripped apart during an abortion. You don't have to get graphic, their imagination will do that for them. Show them that the thing inside them is in fact human.

I don't support abortion but I do support freedom of choice.

Fifty years ago the word abortion could only be heard in whispers. Today, making an appointment for an abortion is as easy as making an appointment to get a haircut.

We don't need more laws. It's against the law to speed while driving but most of us do it. There's a law against selling drugs but people still do it. There's a law against bank robbery, yet people still continue to do it. Laws are made for those people who will abide by that law.

The public needs to be educated not talked down too. If you make abortion illegal do you really believe they will stop? You start messing with people's freedom of choice and before you know it, some of the freedoms you enjoy just might be taken away.

I don't know....that's my take on this issue. Abortion is the work of the devil. The laws of man carry no weight in his realm.

Y'all have a nice day.

[dgolvach]

The public needs to be educated not talked down too. If you make abortion illegal do you really believe they will stop? You start messing with people's freedom of choice and before you know it, some of the freedoms you enjoy just might be taken away.

Choice to do what? See ...its always in how you frame the debate. You mentioned in your post about the little hands and feet so you obviously believe it is human and has rights. We have never been free to snuff out the lives of babies. Is abortion truely the same thing as freedom? Dosen't freedom need to come coupled with basic human rights? Such as the right to remain breathing. Words like "freedom" and "choice" have to be taken into context. Some people will argue that smoking crack should be their "free choice". Freedom does not mean the right to just do anything you choose, anywhere, anytime and for any reason. Thats is called anarchy. Remember, its not just the women's body we are talking about. What happens to a woman or a Dr. if they do the same thing to a baby 3 minutes this side of the womb? You said we don't need more laws? Really? You believe that its a child inside of the womb but you don't think we need a law to protect it? Is it a child or is it not? Should we make laws to protect children if the laws currently don't exist?

Dan

[artsylady]

Why don't you run tv commercials. The anti-smoking people do.

Instead of explaining an abortion, show them. Show them the tiny hands and feet. The whole time the heartbeat of a unborn child is playing in the background. Show them an ultrasound of that beating heart. Explain how a baby is ripped apart during an abortion. You don't have to get graphic, their imagination will do that for them. Show them that the thing inside them is in fact human.

Well, I think that would be a great idea however there would be laws to stop ads like these from happening for the benefit of small children. You can be sure the pro abortion people would see to getting these laws passed no problem. That's what I think anyway.

I don't support abortion but I do support freedom of choice.

You mean you support the freedom of the mother's choice, because there is no freedom for the babies choice at all.

What about a surrogate mother who carries the embryo of another couple. What if at 4 months pregnant she finds a new boyfriend and figures the pregnancy and wants to terminate it? It's her body, right?

Do you realize the baby, even in a natural conception, has a different dna than the mother? Don't you think it's another person in there?

Fifty years ago the word abortion could only be heard in whispers. Today, making an appointment for an abortion is as easy as making an appointment to get a haircut.

Are you glad about that?

We don't need more laws. It's against the law to speed while driving but most of us do it.

But if it wasn't against the law, we'd likely all do it and there would be more accidents right?

Are you saying we should take away speeding laws?

There's a law against selling drugs but people still do it. There's a law against bank robbery, yet people still continue to do it. Laws are made for those people who will abide by that law.

I assume your point is that even if women were fully educated on the procedure, they'd still go ahead with it. I tend to disagree with that. I know that at the current time, many of these young women are told lies and these lies have to stop. Laws protect people. If drugs were legal there would be more deaths. If robbery was legal there would be more deaths. Abortion is legal and there are more deaths.

The public needs to be educated not talked down too.

That's what I'm talking about.

If you make abortion illegal do you really believe they will stop?

Yes, in many cases I do. But since that's not working, I'd try to pass laws to make sure they are educated.

You start messing with people's freedom of choice and before you know it, some of the freedoms you enjoy just might be taken away.

What great freedom abortion is - to kill an innocent child. Maybe we should add some more freedom to society and allow the killing of already born children too.

I don't know....that's my take on this issue. Abortion is the work of the devil. The laws of man carry no weight in his realm.

If abortion is the work of the devil, why are you pro choice?

[Kansasdad]

Perhaps Pro Life organizations should add a new angle to the fight because what they are trying to acheive is simply not working.  Well, actually, it may be working in preventing more abortions but it doesn't appear to be working in changing any laws.

Perhaps they should try to have new laws wherein the full procedure by law must be explained in detail to the patient before the operation.  This should include diagrams on what the baby looks like, what parts are currently functioning, what parts are developed, what the heart is doing, etc.  As well, the patient should be made fully aware of what will happen to the baby during the procedure.  Example, during the saline method, it should be explained that salt will poison the baby and it will take several minutes, while the baby will writhe in pain, before it is over.

Surely the pro choice people would not be about ignorance, would they!???  Surely, a full explanation of the procedures would not be difficult to get passed!  Who on earth could be about providing full medical details to a potential patient?

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Actually this has been tried in several states and the pro-abort legislators, or governors, keep striking it down. They do not want you to know the truth.

It is amazing how they can speek out of both sides of their heads. "We want freedom of choice, but we don't want you to know what your choices are"