In HEAVEN, in HEAVENLY BODIES, living with CHRIST, RIGHT NOW

[DeighAnn]

On 7/12/2021 at 7:06 PM, HAZARD said:

There are many billions of people who in the past, the present, and in the near future before Christ returns who have not and will not even hear the Name of Jesus mentioned, or the gospel preached.

Hi Hazard

I believe that is the main purpose of the Lords Day.  God is Just. And what God really wants is for all to come to repentance.  What a great way to accomplish that goal.  


When we get past the events that take place at the end of this age and the beginning of the DAY of the LORD, 

we find ourselves living in a world with a UNIVERSAL law, GODS.  There are no rich who can buy it, thieves that can steal it, murderers who can kill to acquire it.  God is not a respecter of persons.   

Under the reign of Christ, the temple will be built and Gods people will all be placed in their respective places and ALL IS VERY ORDERLY.  And the 'evil' that has been running around influencing whomever it could will be bound, not even a little of it can escape.  For 1000 years ALL those who came to faith, who of their own free will choose to love and obey the Lord will be the ones ruling and reigning and judging the happenings on earth WITH CHRIST as the King of kings and Lord of lords.  Under a rod of Iron.  

GONE will be all discussions on WHAT is truth, What is really meant, What we are supposed to be striving  to be.  So for the 1000 years it will be all about teaching those who,  if there wasn't a 1000 years, a Lords Day,  to learn the ropes,  would INSTANTLY CRISP and ASH up when coming up to God for the judgment day.  

So in this we see those who NEVER had a chance to hear or to follow or even chose, receiving the teachings and the discipline needed to walk up on judgment day and receive rewards instead of the 2nd death.  Gods love and mercy are a beautiful thing.  

Which in turn explains why Satan must be loosed at the end.  God doesn't take on anything not properly tested, so just as we must pass the test so will those who for that day learned the truth of Gods Love and our purpose.  D




 

 

 

2Peter 3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:

2Peter 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

2Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

2Peter 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

2Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

2Peter 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

2Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

2Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

2Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

2Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2Peter 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

2Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

2Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

2Peter 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

2Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

2Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

2Peter 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

2Peter 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

[Resurrection Priest]

I have no problem believing there ARE human beings alive in heaven now.

Enoch, Elijah, Moses, the resurrection of Matthew 27:51-53.  

Enoch was translated without seeing death.  So was Elijah.  The empty shell of his body did not fall back to earth.  

Many believe that Moses died and was then resurrected by the LORD.  Why the argument with the Devil, over a corpse (if the soul had already left for heaven)?  Answer:  because Satan wanted Moses to stay dead.  The LORD wanted to resurrect Moses and take him to heaven.   Paul says, "death reigned from Adam to Moses" (Romans 5:14).  What changed with Moses?  He was the first man resurrected.  

I see the 24 Elders in Heaven, before the Glorious Return.  I believe they are those resurrected on the day that Christ rose.  He took them to Heaven with Him as the Spring Harvest.  He was the "Firstfruits" of that harvest.   And I believe there are more than just 24 of them.  King David divided "the priesthood" into twenty-four courses, by their clans.  I see the 24 Elders doing some priestly things - eg offering incense.  

On the Mount of Transfiguration, Christ talked with Moses and Elijah.  If those two were "dead" (as opposed to alive), then Christ violated a direct command of His Father.  The LORD commanded that no one communicate with "the dead."  If Jesus violated "the Law" then He could not be our savior.  Just stating reasons why I believe they were "alive".   

All that said, 

I believe by FAR the majority of "the dead" are "sleeping" - in a sort of suspended animation.  I believe the LORD retains the mind/memory of each person at the moment of death.  Sort of like downloading computer files to a memory stick.  At "the resurrection" the LORD will create new bodies for them, and upload their files.  

I don't see what is so radical about my view.  Our brains are marvelous bio-computers.  At Babel, the LORD uploaded a language program and groups were speaking different languages.  At Pentecost, He uploaded a language translator, and folks from different regions understood Peter speak, each in their own language.  

 

[Resurrection Priest]

If the dead "in Christ" are consciously living in Heaven, then the wicked are consciously living in Hell.  By far the majority, because Jesus said, "few there be that find it," the way to the Father.  

Daniel 12:2-3 describes a resurrection of BOTH righteous and wicked.  Multitudes are raised, some to everlasting life, some to shame and everlasting contempt.  

So that means the wicked dead are currently in Hell, and will be resurrected from Hell, to be judged and thrown back in? 

Seems like overdoing it - to me.   

 

[DeighAnn]

On 7/20/2021 at 4:04 PM, Resurrection Priest said:

If the dead "in Christ" are consciously living in Heaven, then the wicked are consciously living in Hell.  By far the majority, because Jesus said, "few there be that find it," the way to the Father.  

Daniel 12:2-3 describes a resurrection of BOTH righteous and wicked.  Multitudes are raised, some to everlasting life, some to shame and everlasting contempt.  

So that means the wicked dead are currently in Hell, and will be resurrected from Hell, to be judged and thrown back in? 

Seems like overdoing it - to me.   

 

Hi RP,

How is it possible to be 'dead in Christ'?  They aren't the ones living in paradise with because

'God is the God of the living and not the dead'.  We are made alive.  We wont see death.  

And we know the rich man can see Lazarus in paradise.  

For me the explanation lies up a verse or two.  I do follow a very simple time line  because everything keeps fitting into it without any conflict.  Here it is just so you know where I am coming from

End of beginning of sorrows coming upon us. 

From fuzzy beginnings being defined to standing where ought not any where between 5 months and 7 years depending.....

Jesus  coming making a super quick end of all that and ruling with a rod of Iron 1000 years

Satan loosed last time short time

GODs THRONE coming which puts a compete and total end to all things Satan/evil
and all stand in judgment   REWARDS or second death

NEW HEAVEN AND EARTH  all things past no longer remembered 

I see it as starting here, 
Daniel 11:42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries and the land of Egypt shall not escape.

Daniel 11:43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

Daniel 11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Do you see that THIS as the time those written in the book are delivered?

So what is taking place? The Lord is returning.  The Brightness of His coming is DESTROYING the Destroyer (Satan going to be bound for the 1000).  Do you think there will be even one 'flesh' man who has NOT taken Jesus as their Lord and Saviour WHO CAN SURVIVE WHAT SATAN HIMSELF CAN NOT?  

Reading about Ananias and Sapphira dropping dead in an instant because they LIED BY OMISSION i REALIZED that taking the mark of the beast...well...not good.  If someone has not been ALREADY in the light of Christ upon his return, they don't stand a chance.  

So they too will be 'destroyed' aka go to sleep in the dust of the earth at His return and what do we know about them who have been deceived or have chosen poorly aka chosen death over life is they have a 2nd death, so they have to have a first one. 
 

Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

We know that at the END OF THE 1000 years comes the last and final test when Satan is loosed yet again.  ALL these who have been learning truth through this day will be tested.  SOME will receive their immortal life, some will end up in the lake of fire.  

Daniel 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

AND THOSE WHO are alive and remaining (after dealing with those in the dust) when Christ returns WILL BE CHANGED and JOY Joy Joy Praise ye the Lord!!!


right now?  Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

AT  AN EXPONENTIAL RATE   -    SO MUCH LIKE LABOR PAINS COMING CLOSER AND CLOSER MORE INTENSE AND MORE INTENSE UNTIL 

BOOM that NEW time/dispensation/age kinda thing, comes into being.  Or it sure seems to be


Acts 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

Acts 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Acts 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Acts 17:32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter.

Acts 17:33 So Paul departed from among them.

 

John 6:48 I am that bread of life.

John 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

John 6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

John 6:52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?

 

John 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

John 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.




WE eat Jesus, and we live by him.  If we go into a hole in the ground awaiting 'the last day' JUST THE SAME AS THEY DID, then how are we not considered 'dead' when they were considered dead?  How are we 'living forever'?


John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.




John 8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
 

John 8:52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.

John 8:53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?

John 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

John 8:55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.

John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

 

John 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

John 12:25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.


John 12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.


IS SLEEPING TO BE CONSIDERED DEAD?  yes, at least according to Jesus it is.
 

John 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.

John 11:12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.

John 11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.

John 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

John 11:21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.

John 11:22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.

John 11:23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.

John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

WHAT IS HIS REPLY TO THE LAST DAY?

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
 

John 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.


NOW I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE BUT I AM THINKING THAT MAYBE,  Jesus raise us up By being raised up to raise us up.   The last day is the LAST DAY that Jesus walked the earth and is the day the law for the dead was changed.  The last day is the DAY wherein 'our resurrection' becomes possible.  


What I hear you saying is  we would DIE JUST LIKE THOSE WHO ATE THE MANNA. 

John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

John 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

Would like to see the scriptures you read that lead you to where you now are.  Thanks D

[Selah7]

9 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

How is it possible to be 'dead in Christ'?  They aren't the ones living in paradise with because

'God is the God of the living and not the dead'.  We are made alive.  We wont see death.  

Hi, D.  The “dead in Christ” are already with Him.  They are those who have died believing in the Lord who are with Him now.  

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Edited July 23, 2021 by Selah7

[DeighAnn]

57 minutes ago, Selah7 said:

Hi, D.  The “dead in Christ” are already with Him.  They are those who have died believing in the Lord who are with Him now.  

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Hi Selah 

Yes, that is the agreed upon meaning. 

But we were told where those who sleep/die go

HERE

1Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

1Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

SO if all those who have died have  ALREADY  gone to be WITH the Lord upon 'falling asleep' WHO is around to rise first when He comes?

Either they have already gone or they haven't.  Which is it?

I contend it is exactly as written.  Upon death of the flesh we go to be with the Lord and return with Him.  That being said 



We get to this point in time in which CHRIST IS RETURNING, the having fallen asleep/dead DESCENDING  WITH HIM.  
 

1Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God

SINCE THE DEAD are DESCENDING with HIM, then they can't be rising can they? 

and these that are RISING CAN'T BE THOSE WHO ARE ALIVE (Believers) and REMAINING because they WILL BE CHANGED.  

Those who are  CHANGED  are EVER WITH THE LORD

SO THOSE WHO HAVE TAKEN TE MARK CAN'T BE CHANGED because we don't know and wont know if they will 'ever be with the Lord until AFTER Satan is loosed.again, right??

SO, that takes care of ALL BELIEVERS in the Lord and Saviour.  

Before His return 

Go to be with Him

Once He returns

CHANGED

SO what happens to those who have taken the mark of the beast??

Do they 'make it through'  the return of Christ that puts down Satan?  Do they stay in a terrestrial body when Christ and all the celestial bodies descend?  

If FLESH AND BLOOD can not inherit the kingdom of God, and that kingdom is ARRIVING, how would that work?

If they DO NOT EXPERIENCE A FIRST DEATH then how are they to experience a possible SECOND Death?

Since upon the death of the flesh ALL souls go to paradise , Abraham and Rich man, THOSE can't be who will be RISING as Christ is descending either.  

Again, what happens to those who have taken the mark of the beast when Christ is descending?

All flesh MUST CHANGE because a NEW DAY/ REALM/DIMENSION/walking through walls world/no one can kill anyone but the Lord in the lake of fire days are descending upon the earth, right?


and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1 Thessalonians 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

So really What happens to those who take the mark of the beast?  It's almost like there is a conspiracy NOT to let us know.  BUT weren't we foretold all things?  

We can't have it both ways.  It is either 'gone to be with the Lord' or 'remain in grave asleep rise when He returns'


So that is my dilemma.  That is what no one will address. Everyone keeps repeating the same thing like talking it through would be bad or something.  


 And though I appreciate your first response, I WOULD really like to hear your thoughts on this.  AND I would really like for you to give me scripture on  what happens to those with the mark of the beast when Christ returns.  D 


 

Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

Zechariah 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Zechariah 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Zechariah 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

Zechariah 14:6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

Zechariah 14:7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

Zechariah 14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

Zechariah 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Zechariah 14:10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.

Zechariah 14:11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

Zechariah 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Would SEEM pretty dead and in need of a 'rising' for the Millennium to me anyhow.  




I absolutely could be wrong in all this but since the day my spirit started asking the question, I have never been able to 'see' it the same. 

SOMETHING HAS TO HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO HAVE TAKEN THE MARK BEFORE THE ALIVE AND REMAINING ARE CHANGED.  THAT IS JUST A FACT.

Please try to keep in mind that the CHANGED ARE EVER WITH THE LORD  AND are TRANSFORMED hence that can't be what happens to those with the mark.  

I figure I shouldn't be the only one asking this question.  I tried to place this event at the end of the millennium but because I believe there will be no flesh at that time it just doesn't fit well there, not for me at least.  

WHAT we really need is a bunch of people all praying about it.  Until then, Patience

 Again, thank you    D

 

Zechariah 14:13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.

Zechariah 14:14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.

Zechariah 14:15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.

Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zechariah 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

Zechariah 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zechariah 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zechariah 14:20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

Zechariah 14:21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

 

[Selah7]

This is what you said initially.

12 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

How is it possible to be 'dead in Christ'?  They aren't the ones living in paradise with because

'God is the God of the living and not the dead'.  We are made alive.  We wont see death.  

And we know the rich man can see Lazarus in paradise.  

The "dead in Christ"—those who have died believing in the Lord, 
who are with Him now, will present themselves or stand-up first when Christ returns.

Edited July 23, 2021 by Selah7

[Selah7]

D,

Take your Strong's concordance and check out the Greek word and its prime roots for "rise.”  It means to stand up or present.

So the "dead in Christ,” those who have died believing in the Lord, who are with Him now, will present themselves or stand up first when Christ returns.

[Selah7]

31 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

SO THOSE WHO HAVE TAKEN TE MARK CAN'T BE CHANGED because we don't know and wont know if they will 'ever be with the Lord until AFTER Satan is loosed.again, right??

We will ALL be changed.

[Selah7]

1 Corinthians 15:51

51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—