Repentance... is it from sin or from unbelief?

[JohnD]

To repent is to turn away from something. To change your mind. Your belief. Your feelings.

Is it from sin?

Or unbelief?

John 20:27 (AV)
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

 

[Hopefully]

My repentance is from sin because I have never not believed in Christ. I can’t stop doing something I’ve never done. My answer for myself. 

[JohnD]

2 minutes ago, Hopefully said:

My repentance is from sin because I have never not believed in Christ. I can’t stop doing something I’ve never done. My answer for myself. 

Okay.

May I raise a point for you to consider?

You can spin round and round all your life long turning from sin only to sin again and again and again (maybe not the exact same sin... but maybe so).

Or...

1 John 1:9 (AV)
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

I recommend reading 1 John 1:5 - 1 John 2:17 as a single block of text over and over until you get the point being made that this passage is:

1. for believers not unbelievers as some say...
2. God has already forgiven believers of all sin (the tense of the Greek word for forgive in verse 1:9)
3. confession (coming along side) is facing our guilt and restoring our fellowship / walk with God
4. that God never moved, we did by our sin
5. and confession (no mention of repentance, or never doing whatever again...) is what produces the results of restoration of fellowship
6. we do not lose or salvation in fact 1 Corinthians 5:5 reveals the scary extent God will go to in order to prevent that loss

There are verses where the word repent is in close proximity to becoming saved in the first place. But I am finding this is about turning from unbelief in Jesus to belief in Jesus rather than turning from sin, a sin, or sins. ← which would be a work, would it not?

Ephesians 2:8–10 (AV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Just a thought...

[Guest clancy]

God’s kindness leads us to repentance, unbelief is a sin...of the world....

[Hopefully]

1 hour ago, JohnD said:

You can spin round and round all your life long turning from sin only to sin again and again and again (maybe not the exact same sin... but maybe so).

This is true but

“My brothers and sisters, God chose you to be free. But don’t use your freedom as an excuse to do what pleases your sinful selves. Instead, serve each other with love.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:13‬ ‭
 

So I don’t freely sin and say oh I’m forgiven. I stay conscious and try to do the right thing. Not because I’m saved by works but because my faith causes me to be what the law wants.

Edited March 7, 2021 by Hopefully

[missmuffet]

2 hours ago, JohnD said:

To repent is to turn away from something. To change your mind. Your belief. Your feelings.

Is it from sin?

Or unbelief?

John 20:27 (AV)
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

 

Both

[JohnD]

1 hour ago, Hopefully said:

This is true but

“My brothers and sisters, God chose you to be free. But don’t use your freedom as an excuse to do what pleases your sinful selves. Instead, serve each other with love.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:13‬ ‭
 

So I don’t freely sin and say oh I’m forgiven. I stay conscious and try to do the right thing. Not because I’m saved by works but because my faith causes me to be what the law wants.

I see your point. But remember we sin by nature.

God didn't free us up to sin (by Grace) but to be able to take our focus off of the requirements of the Law (that charges humanity with sin)

to spread the Gospel (the great commission). ← our prime directive.

Wasting time on worldliness... that's a sin too. Is it not?

[Hopefully]

1 hour ago, JohnD said:

God didn't free us up to sin (by Grace) but to be able to take our focus off of the requirements of the Law (that charges humanity with sin)

to spread the Gospel (the great commission). ← our prime directive.

Wasting time on worldliness... that's a sin too. Is it not?

I believe my faith causes me to be what the law wants, and yes worldliness is a waste of my time. I can only speak for myself that’s why I’m making my replies relate to me only. People on this forum have many views. 
 

If One believes no works are required with his faith then let it be so and if another believes his faith causes him to work let it be so.

 

If one feels he is free to sin let it be so, and if another feels he should repent from sin let it be so.

Edited March 7, 2021 by Hopefully

[popsthebuilder]

To remain in sin is to be in unbelief. So both. How does one actually believe if they deny the power of the Spirit of GOD so much so as to remain in knowing sin?

[popsthebuilder]

1 hour ago, JohnD said:

I see your point. But remember we sin by nature.

God didn't free us up to sin (by Grace) but to be able to take our focus off of the requirements of the Law (that charges humanity with sin)

to spread the Gospel (the great commission). ← our prime directive.

Wasting time on worldliness... that's a sin too. Is it not?

Are we not to be as born again of a new nature and kind?