Do We Still Have A Sin Nature

[Peterlag]

55 minutes ago, OneLight said:

I don't think you will find anyone in this thread that does not agree with being born again, but you take it further when you opened this thread with:

Our flesh is in constant battle with the Spirit.  You have read this, I'm sure ...

Galatians 5:16-26

I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.  For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.  But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.  Against such there is no law.  And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.  If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.  Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

No matter how hard we try, the flesh is still trying to get us to fulfill its desires until it ceases to function any more - dead.

I don't walk in those flesh deals that you list from Galatians. I walk in the other one which is called the spirit.

[Peterlag]

54 minutes ago, Arrabon said:

Because I'm such an" old guy" in the faith, for many years I have studied the common Greek language of the day, koine Greek, which has become my right hand when studying scripture, especially single words, but also complete topics.

No, I'm not a scholarly snob, anything but, but I absolutely love the language God chose to write the original text in, and find the depth and scope of the Greek language overwhelmingly full and complete and powerful beyond all else I have studied.

The few words that to me are important in this verse you quoted are "we should not serve sin."

The Greek word douleuso represents being enslaved or in bondage to sin without release or any hope of release, as a non-Christian is, as opposed to Christians who sin periodically, but are working on getting past their sins with God's help.

Christians are usually not in bondage to sin, but if they are, say to pornography, they are usually pleading with God to be freed, and they can be released through the blood of Christ as they struggle and endure until they are released.

Serving sin is being fully immersed in sin, and living the full life of sin, and that's what that verse is speaking to.

The bible never represents Christians as sinless, and in fact warns us over and over of the possibility of being overwhelmed by sin and loosing our souls.

I see the Bible representing Christians as sinless because I am totally righteous due to the fact that my spirit is His workmanship. And this is also why it is written in 2 Corinthians 5:21, that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

[OneLight]

8 minutes ago, Peterlag said:

I don't walk in those flesh deals that you list from Galatians. I walk in the other one which is called the spirit.

And you do this 100% of the time?  If you are inclined to say yes, please show me in scripture where others have been as successful.

Edited to add - besides Jesus.

Edited March 11, 2021 by OneLight

[OneLight]

7 minutes ago, Peterlag said:

I see the Bible representing Christians as sinless because I am totally righteous due to the fact that my spirit is His workmanship. And this is also why it is written in 2 Corinthians 5:21, that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Interesting you chose this verse.  It does read:

For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

It is a great verse, but consider what it does say.  "might become".  The word might alone proves that being totally righteous is not a given, but a goal to reach for, one that takes a lifetime to accomplish.

[Guest clancy]

33 minutes ago, Peterlag said:

No I'm not saying that. I'm saying walk in the spirit and you will not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

Galatians 5:16,18
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

And you can do that all day and every day can you?

 

i think not!..

Edited March 11, 2021 by clancy

[Guest clancy]

15 minutes ago, OneLight said:

Interesting you chose this verse.  It does read:

For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

It is a great verse, but consider what it does say.  "might become".  The word might alone proves that being totally righteous is not a given, but a goal to reach for, one that takes a lifetime to accomplish.

Amen!!!

[Arrabon]

44 minutes ago, Peterlag said:

"that we might be made the the righteousness of God"

I think the qualifying word here is "MIGHT", in that being perfect and sinless is not a guarantee or a given.

Judging others by my life and actions, and 1st peter 4:18, "If it is with difficulty that the righteous is saved..."

The word difficulty in this context is a word actually meaning impossible on ones own.

There is no perfection or righteousness without being gifted by God Himself, and God through Paul says we must struggle and endure, and fight the good fight, and pick up our cross daily, and run the race of endurance from our hearts.

All of the above isn't about works in your context of your idea of works, but works with a heart for God is accepted by God, because we're not trying to EARN something we cant earn, it's a natural response to our love for Him and for others, if others are involved.

If your a legalist or rule keeper, or anyone else here is, this concept wouldn't be understood.

You seem to make it sound very "easy peasy" when it's a constant battle with the "DEVIL" of this earth.

I sometimes battle satan everyday for the constant temptations he brings to trip me up or entangle me.

Actually I'm glad I have these problems with sin because God describes my condition of sin, but He doesn't describe yours.

Edited March 11, 2021 by Arrabon

[Waggles]

1Peter 4:17  For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? 
4:18  And “If the righteous is scarcely saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?” 
4:19  Therefore let those who suffer according to God's will entrust their souls to a faithful Creator while doing good. 

why must we suffer if we have no sin nature to overcome? 

[Waggles]

9 hours ago, Peterlag said:

Andrew Farley has a great 7 part teaching on this he did 4 years ago that's on YouTube called... The New Creation. Perhaps you would enjoy learning more about this sin nature.

You should pay much less attention to the teachings of men and learn from scripture itself through the Holy Spirit:

1John 1:5  This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 
1:6  If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 
1:7  But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. 
1:8  If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 
1:9  If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 
1:10  If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. 

so does Andrew Farley know something that John the Apostle does not? 

Edited March 11, 2021 by Waggles

[Arrabon]

11 minutes ago, Waggles said:

1Peter 4:17  For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? 
4:18  And “If the righteous is scarcely saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?” 
4:19  Therefore let those who suffer according to God's will entrust their souls to a faithful Creator while doing good. 

why must we suffer if we have no sin nature to overcome? 

@Waggles

RIGHT ON, RIGHT ON, RIGHT ON 

I LIKE BEING HERE 

Edited March 11, 2021 by Arrabon