Futurism

[Justin Adams]

The Roman Catholic Church had Jesuit Priest Francisco Ribera, a brilliant man with a doctorate in theology, write a 500 page commentary with an **opposing view, where he manipulated prophecies in the books of Daniel and Revelation, to create an end-time 7-year tribulation antichrist. (**opposing the reformed idea that the pope was the antichrist)

The most important passage that they manipulated is the 70 Weeks of Daniel prophecy in Daniel 9:24-27. 

This idea, called Futurism, deferred accusations away from the Roman Catholic Church and the Papacy, so Rome quickly adopted this viewpoint as the Church’s official position on the Antichrist.

Following close behind Francisco Ribera was another brilliant Jesuit scholar, Cardinal Robert Bellarmine of Rome.

Cardinal Bellarmine promoted Ribera’s concepts in his work “Polemic Lectures Concerning the Disputed points of the Christian Belief Against the Heretics of this Time“.

In 1812 a Roman Jesuit priest named Manuel de Lacunza published the work ‘The Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty‘ under the pen name of ‘Juan Josafat Ben-Ezra’, a converted Jew.

John Henry Newman promoted the Jesuits concepts in England.

Then came John Henry Newman, a member of the Church of England and a leader of the famous Oxford Movement.

In 1850, Newman wrote his “Letter on Anglican Difficulties,” revealing that one of his goals in the Oxford movement was to absorb “the various English denominations and parties” back into the Church of Rome.

John Nelson Darby created the concept of Dispensationalism.

In the midst of this growing anti-Protestant climate in England arose John Nelson Darby – a brilliant lawyer, pastor, and theologian, who wrote more than 53 books on Bible subjects and is credited as the father of Dispensationalism.

One of the most important figures in the spread of these false doctrines is Cyrus Ingerson Scofield, a lawyer from Kansas who was greatly influenced by the writings of Darby.

In 1909, Scofield published the first edition of his famous ‘Scofield Reference Bible‘, which injected large doses of Futurism in the commentaries.

This Bible became so popular in American Protestant Bible schools that it was necessary to print literally millions of copies.

This was the beginning of the end of American Protestant Christianity and a proper exegetical understanding of prophecy and the Scripture.

The Scofield Study Bible was received by Congregationalists, Baptists, and some Presbyterian denominations.

Lewis Sperry Chafer brought Scofield’s teachings to the Dallas Theological Seminary.

Lewis Sperry Chafer, an American theologian, became associated with the ministry of Scofield, who became his mentor.

Dallas Theological Seminary is the key place where the Jesuit concepts were taught to thousands of Pastors, including today’s top TV and radio personalities.

http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/jesuit-end-times-antichrist-deception/

 

 

 

 

Edited March 19, 2021 by Justin Adams

[missmuffet]

I believe in the futurist viewpoint of the book of Revelation. 

[Starise]

As I see it they(those mentioned above) attempted to restructure Biblical end times and events. How do you see the end times playing out?

I still see an end times false prophet at the very end. I still see that God takes Christians to be with Him in glory through an event that looks a lot like the "rapture" only not on the timeline many think. There are clearly events that haven't happened yet. Most of them pretty horrible things.

If we read the Bible without all of that hoopla I think we continue to get events that haven't happened yet and a time when we will be resurrected to be with the Lord. While I agree with your conclusions as to why we have the false or inaccurate teachings in place in many churches and the reasons why these teachings came to be, I think we need to then clarify the real narrative. 

If we swing the pendulum too far the opposite direction and say all of it already happened, this isn't accurate either. To those who are young in the Lord, my concern is they will simply think it has all happened. Nothing to see here. Move along. We know the Lord hasn't returned the second time. I think there is still lots of unfulfilled prophecy in the Bible. 

Do you agree?

[missmuffet]

Nothing that is in the book of Revelation has happened yet. The historical view of Revelation is dangerous. 

Revelation 22: 18-19

For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

[Alive]

53 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Nothing that is in the book of Revelation has happened yet. The historical view of Revelation is dangerous. 

Revelation 22: 18-19

For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Given that logic, as is the futurist view.

Most importantly--the Lord knows the heart and His Grace covers all--pertaining the His own.

The real danger is to be dogmatic without rock solid scriptural basis and in terms of eschatology, regardless of how certain a mind may be--that mind may very well be in error. An honest and sincere believer does him or her self a justice and pleases the Lord, when this posture is present.

[canada]

The historicist view does not say that "all has been fulfilled" ... that is "full preterism" or "partial preterism.

It was Sir Isaac Newton (who wrote more on prophecy than his scientific studies) said ... we are not to become prophets (a form of futurism) but rather to recognize the event when it comes to pass.

The ten nation alliance out of Europe did come to pass in recent years and its member nations summed at 666.

The "false prophet" did come to pass in the form of the Vatican hierarchy ... the meaning of Vatican is from the word "vatic" which means "prophet or prophecy".

The papacy does "cause fire to come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men" but most do not recognize the fire, and note that the fire does not come from heaven above, but rather from "heaven on the earth" ... ie Vatican City.

A pope in recent years titled name summed at 666 in three different languages and fulfilled the prophecy of Rev 6:2 ... the rider on white horse with crown and bow.

The futurist "watchmen" were asleep on their watch.

However, this will likely not be believed until God destroys Vatican City (Mystery, Babylon) and then futurists will be in chaos saying ... where is the image, mark and numbered beast?  this was all supposed to happen prior to the destruction of Vatican City ... according to futurism.

 

 

[Starise]

4 hours ago, canada said:

The historicist view does not say that "all has been fulfilled" ... that is "full preterism" or "partial preterism.

 I think a fair study of the Bible comes back with clear correlations to the 70AD fall of Jerusalem matching passages in Matt. 24. The churches addressed in the first part of Revelation are not necessarily end times churches. 

The RCC and the popes are seen by me as a continued succession of the AC. I believe there will be THE anti christ at the end. Whoever fills those shoes will be him. Revelation describes a personage not an organization, although the organization will certainly be a part of it.

I don't think anyone can conclusively say some events thought to be future haven't happened. I believe many have happened and we can show it. Neither can we say there aren't events that are yet to happen. That one is very obvious.

4 hours ago, canada said:

However, this will likely not be believed until God destroys Vatican City (Mystery, Babylon) and then futurists will be in chaos saying ... where is the image, mark and numbered beast?  this was all supposed to happen prior to the destruction of Vatican City ... according to futurism.

So how do you see the mark of the beast on the hand and/or on the forehead? How would you say this has already happened? Thanks.

The extreme futurist says none of it has happened. 

If a person ( not speaking directly to you or anyone else) has  by study discounted what won't happen, that person still needs to fill in the blanks. I don't claim to know exactly since this is ongoing study. I'm willing to be proven wrong. I feel very strongly that the whole rapture/7 year tribulation is something that anyone who believes it should study for themselves because frankly there seem to be more than a few holes in it. What this doesn't mean about my view- It doesn't mean I don't think Christ will return for us. It doesn't mean I don't see cataclysmic events happening in the future according to God's word. It doesn't mean I write off either all historic or all futurist views. People tend to want to label. 

 

[Justin Adams]

Bump

[canada]

Starise said:  “So how do you see the mark of the beast and/or on the forehead?  How would you say this has already happened?  Thanks.”

It is so obvious ... yet we are blind to see it.

At the baptism of the infant follower of Romanism, the priest dips his right hand into the font and with his thumb places the mark upon the forehead of the infant.

On Ash Wednesday, the priest places his right hand into the ashes and with his thumb places the mark upon the forehead of the adult follower of the beast.

This is where the term “being under the thumb of Rome” is derived from.

And how is a Roman Catholic identified? .

By making the mark with his right hand ... not the left.

When God destroys Vatican City, it will be an ever burning witness to the world of its corruption and distortion of God’s Word that no one will buy into the religion of Rome except those that already possess the mark.

Romanism will no longer be able to sell their brand of religion, except to those that already possess the mark.

This will likely fall upon deaf ears ... until God destroys Vatican City.

 

[Arrabon]

Why does any of these differing opinions matter, if we are prepared for Christ's second coming - THE "RAPTURE."