The truth about salvation.

[luigi]

22 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

Again if this is the case then why are we constantly remind that we are in a battle

1 Corinthians 10: 2 But I beg you that when I am present I may not be bold with that confidence by which I intend to be bold against some, who think of us as if we walked according to the flesh. 3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not [a]carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, 6 and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.

Those of us who overcome our fleshly inclinations, the world sees as enemies. The spiritual is currently constantly in battle against the carnal.

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Edited March 21, 2021 by luigi

[steve morrow]

ARE  YOU  WORTHY  ???

WILL  YOU  BE  ABLE  TO  PRETEND  YOUR  WORDS  CAN  SAVE  AT  THE  LAST  DAY

WILL  YOU  BE  ABLE  TO  PRETEND  YOU  CAN  OMIT  GODS  WORDS  FOR  YOUR  OWN  BELIEFS 

 

LUKE 21:33  heaven and earth shall pass away but  MY  WORDS  shall not pass away  --21:34-- and take heed to your selves lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting and drunkenness ---AND  CARES  OF  THIS  LIFE--- and so that day come upon you unawares --21:35-- for as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth 

--21:36-- watch you therefore and --pray--  always that  --- YOU  MAY  BE  ACCOUNTED  WORTHY --- to escape all these things that shall come to pass and to stand before the ---SON  OF  MAN---

 

JOHN 5:26 for as  THE  FATHER  hath life in himself so hath  HE  given to  THE  SON  to have live in himself --5:27-- and hath given  HIM  authority to execute judgement also because  HE  IS  THE  SON  OF  MAN --5:28-- marvel not at this for the hour is coming in the which all that are in the graves shall hear  HIS  VOICE

--5:29-- AND  SHALL COME  FORTH  THEY  THAT  HAVE  --DONE  GOOD-- UNTO  THE  RESURRECTION OF  LIFE  AND  THEY  THAT  HAVE  DONE  EVIL  UNTO  THE  RESURRECTION  OF  DAMNATION 

 

2 THESSALONIANS 2:10  and with all deceiveableness of unrighteousness in them that perish because they received not the love of the truth ---THAT  THEY  MIGHT  BE  SAVED--- 2:11 -- and for this cause  GOD  shall send them strong delusion that they should believe a lie 

--2:12-- THAT  THEY  ALL  MIGHT  BE  DAMNED  WHO  BELIEVED  NOT  THE  TRUTH  BUT  HAD  PLEASURE  IN  UNRIGHTEOUSNESS

 

PSALM 119:155  SALVATION  IS  FAR  FROM  THE  WICKED  FOR  THEY  SEEK  NOT  THY  STATUTES

PSALM 25:5  LEAD  ME  IN  THY  TRUTH  AND  TEACH  ME  FOR  THOU  ART  THE  GOD  OF  MY  SALVATION  ON  THEE  DO  I  WAIT  ALL  THE  DAY

PSALM 68:20  HE  THAT  IS  OUR  GOD  IS  THE  GOD  OF  SALVATION  AND  UNTO  GOD  THE  LORD  BELONG  THE  ISSUES  OF  DEATH

PSALM 119:61  THE  BANDS  OF  THE  WICKED  HAVE  ROBBED  ME  BUT  I  HAVE  NOT  FORGOTTEN  THY  LAW

PSALM 119:139  MY  ZEAL  HATH  CONSUMED  ME  BECAUSE  MINE  ENEMIES  HAVE  FORGOTTEN  THY  WORDS

 

JOHN 5:34  BUT  I  RECEIVE  NOT  TESTIMONY  FROM  MAN  BUT  THESE  THINGS  I  SAY  THAT  YOU  MIGHT  BE  SAVED 

 

2 THESSALONIANS 2:7 and to you who are troubled rest with us when  THE  LORD  JESUS  shall be revealed from heaven with  HIS  mighty angels 

---2:8---IN  FLAMING  FIRE  TAKING  VENGEANCE  ON  THEM  THAT  KNOW  NOT  GOD  ---AND  THAT  OBEY  NOT  THE  GOSPEL--- OF  OUR  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST

 

 

---2:11---WHEREFORE  ALSO  WE--PRAY  ALWAYS--FOR  YOU  THAT  OUR  GOD  WOULD  COUNT  YOU --WORTHY-- OF  THIS  CALLING  AND  FULFILL  ALL  THE  GOOD  PLEASURE  OF  HIS  GOODNESS  AND---THE  WORK  OF  FAITH  WITH  POWER---

PROVERBS 18:21  DEATH  AND LIFE  ARE  IN  THE  POWER  OF  THE  TONGUE  AND  THEY  THAT  LOVE  IT  SHALL  EAT  THE  FRUIT  THEREOF

 

 

PHILIPPIANS 4:13  I  CAN  DO  ALL  THINGS  THROUGH  CHRIST  WHICH  STRENGTHENETH  ME

JOHN 15:5  I  AM  THE  VINE  YOU  ARE  THE  BRANCHES  HE  THAT  ---ABIDETH  IN  ME--- AND  I  IN  HIM  THE  SAME  BRINGETH  FORTH  MUCH  FRUIT ------ FOR  WITHOUT  ME  YOU  CAN  DO  NOTHING  ------

PROVERBS 8:14  COUNSEL  IS  MINE  AND  SOUND  WISDOM  I  AM  UNDERSTANDING  I  HAVE  STRENGTH

JOHN 14:13  AND  WHATSOEVER  YOU  SHALL  ASK  IN  MY  NAME  THAT  WILL  I  DO  THAT  THE  FATHER  MAY  BE  GLORIFIED  IN  THE  SON 

 

1 JOHN 5:14  AND  THIS  IS  THE  CONFIDENCE  THAT  WE  HAVE  IN  HIM  THAT  --IF--  WE  ASK  ANYTHING  ACCORDING  TO  HIS  WILL  HE  HEARETH  US 

 

PSALM 66:18  IF  I  REGARD  INIQUITY  IN  MY  HEART  THE  LORD  WILL  NOT  HEAR  ME 

 

IS  NOT  THE  PRIDE  AND  ARROGANCY  OF  ONES  OWN  WORDS  INIQUITY

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST  

 

[Michael37]

8 hours ago, luigi said:

According to the Word in Romans 7-8, Salvation, due to Christs sacrifice is where we are no longer enslaved to our carnal passions (should we so choose to overcome and free ourselves). In which case, as the Word is Spiritual, and salvation is spiritual; those who then choose to remain in their carnal sins would not benefit from a spiritual effect.

Think about this logically; why would someone who wantonly continues to live for their flesh, want to live for the spirit, when they have been given the free gift to leave their sins, should they so choose, but instead choose not to? It is counterintuitive.

Salvation is therefore for those who earnestly want to leave their carnal inclinations, in order to live for their spirit (Romans 8:1), while those who willfully continue to live for their flesh (Romans 8:5), receive no spiritual prize.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

Hi luigi, The title of your thread caught my interest as I was scrolling down today's activity. I have long considered three simple statements to be the truth about my own salvation - 

• By God's grace through my faith in Christ I am saved from the penalty of sin.
• By God's Spirit at work in me I am being saved from the power of sin.
• By God's mercy on Judgment Day I will be saved from the presence of sin.

The invitation is for all to put their trust in God and have faith in Christ, but as with all invitations they can be accepted or rejected.

The Parable of the Wedding Feast
Mat 22:1  And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said, 
Mat 22:2  The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, 
Mat 22:3  And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. 

[Riverwalker]

Humanity has been studying this for a long time and while there a splinters of other view points. The view point that we have two natures, that battle between each other in our minds has been pretty much accepted by the majority of people, even people who hadn't heard of Jesus

 

 

This sounds alot like what Paul tells us of the fruit of the flesh and fruit if the Spirit, why would hell us this, if it was a non-issue for real believers?

 

Galatians 5:

9 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: [d]adultery, [e]fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, [f]murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 [g]gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

Hopefully you are trying to say there are "special Christians"

Edited March 21, 2021 by Riverwalker

[luigi]

1 hour ago, Michael37 said:

Hi luigi, The title of your thread caught my interest as I was scrolling down today's activity. I have long considered three simple statements to be the truth about my own salvation - 

• By God's grace through my faith in Christ I am saved from the penalty of sin.
• By God's Spirit at work in me I am being saved from the power of sin.
• By God's mercy on Judgment Day I will be saved from the presence of sin.

The invitation is for all to put their trust in God and have faith in Christ, but as with all invitations they can be accepted or rejected.

The Parable of the Wedding Feast
Mat 22:1  And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said, 
Mat 22:2  The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, 
Mat 22:3  And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. 

Hi Michael37, I believe also that we are saved from sin, by Gods grace through our faith in Christ. What faith in Christ means to me is to believe in what Christ is, believes, and represents, which is to love God and to love our neighbor, among other spiritual virtues.

From my understanding of the Word in Romans 7 & 8, in order to believe in the spiritual virtues that are Christ, we have to leave our carnal inclinations which opposes the spiritual (Romans 8:6-8).

Romans 8:6  For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Edited March 22, 2021 by luigi

[luigi]

48 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

Humanity has been studying this for a long time and while there a splinters of other view points. The view point that we have two natures, that battle between each other in our minds has been pretty much accepted by the majority of people, even people who hadn't heard of Jesus

 

 

This sounds alot like what Paul tells us of the fruit of the flesh and fruit if the Spirit, why would hell us this, if it was a non-issue for real believers?

 

Galatians 5:

9 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: [d]adultery, [e]fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, [f]murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 [g]gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

Hopefully you are trying to say there are "special Christians"

What I am saying is that there are some who believe in the Spirit, while there are others who believe in the flesh. Those who live in the flesh, though they may claim faith/belief in Christ, in reality do not believe in Christ, whose life is for the Spirit.

I am not saying that we do not believe in Christ if we sin (which we all do), but that those of us who practice sinning, and are living for their flesh as those in Galatians 5:19-21, & Philippians 3:18-19, are they who delude themselves into believing a kindergarten perspective of salvation; one in which they are saved away from their carnal loves, into Christs spiritual world.

[Riverwalker]

Just now, luigi said:

What I am saying is that there are some who believe in the Spirit, while there are others who believe in the flesh. Those who live in the flesh, though they may claim faith/belief in Christ, in reality do not believe in Christ, whose life is for the Spirit.

I am not saying that we do not believe in Christ if we sin (which we all do), but that those of us who practice sinning, and are living for their flesh as those in Galatians 5:19-21, & Philippians 3:18-19, are they who delude themselves into believing a kindergarten perspective of salvation; one in which they are saved away from their carnal loves, into Christs spiritual world.

Okay so there are Christians and then there are the lukewarm, the pretenders, the compromisers. Okay I get that

 

[luigi]

6 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

Okay so there are Christians and then there are the lukewarm, the pretenders, the compromisers. Okay I get that

 

Yeah. I do not believe myself a pretender or compromiser, but I do consider myself somewhat lukewarm. I do though hope to improve. Peace to you.

[Sower]

1 hour ago, SONshine said:

John 6:44

44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

"unless the Father who sent Me draws him"
                
How?
Faith comes by hearing, hearing by the word of God.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
         and the Word was God.

God called me through the word......       see above

ps           "My sheep hear my voice"

[Guest clancy]

If you have received the Holy Spirit, into your spirit/ heart, by God and only God, you can’t receive him yourself,

Then you automatically follow Christ, he chose you, you are His, He indwells your heart, therefore change is notable straight away, you are a new creation in Christ,..

I am going through a hard time at the moment,I am honest with God, i speak from my heart, I told him I need a break from what I’ve been called to do, I was so angry yesterday,I lost it, but!......I have nowhere to go,I know God is in my situation,I feel better for being honest with him, rather than keeping my feelings in, he knows them anyway, so my point is, I have NO CHOICE....but to follow God, because i was called to do so....I can’t even think about going my own way.....where would I go?.....I must be obedient to my calling....but sometimes I need a break, because it’s not easy at times, especially if i try to do it without God, that’s when I run into trouble,...I have to wait on him, I can’t rush him...this is my personal walk with God..but felt the need inside to share.

My eyes and heart are fixed on God....He is in “. Complete “ control of my life....

Being led by Him is the best thing ever, but it can be very hard at times...but it’s for the best I know that.

Edited March 22, 2021 by clancy