The Perfect You

[Riverwalker]

1 hour ago, Peterlag said:

I tried that renewing the mind for a whole bunch of years and never accomplished a thing. When I saw maybe to renew the mind meant to just put on the mind of Christ and it's done is when the lights turned on for me.

Romans 12:12 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

Renewing the mind, and presenting the body as a living sacrifice is a daily thing. Its living the Christian life. Yes we are saved, and grace is given us, but we still our responsible for taking care of our business. The epistles are full of instruction and encouragement to do exactly that.

Philippians 3:12 Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. 13 Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, 14 I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

and when I have reached the end of this journey I want to know that I left it all on the playing field and then I can say what Paul said when his end was near.

2nd Timothy 4:7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 

Anyway, that's my take

[Peterlag]

23 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

Romans 12:12 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

Renewing the mind, and presenting the body as a living sacrifice is a daily thing. Its living the Christian life. Yes we are saved, and grace is given us, but we still our responsible for taking care of our business. The epistles are full of instruction and encouragement to do exactly that.

Philippians 3:12 Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. 13 Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, 14 I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

and when I have reached the end of this journey I want to know that I left it all on the playing field and then I can say what Paul said when his end was near.

2nd Timothy 4:7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 

Anyway, that's my take

I could still be correct if we factor in that there are indeed places in the Epistles where Paul is writing to babes who cannot handle the meat of the Scripture that I teach. However, even on the surface I can say Romans 12:2 could be presenting your bodies a living sacrifice by putting on the mind of Christ once and for all because it is not a daily thing. And Philippians has that word again "in Christ Jesus." And it's that in Christ Jesus that I believe is walking in the spirit. Timothy 4:7 can just be saying I stayed in the spirit of Christ and that's how I finished the race. 

[Riverwalker]

13 minutes ago, Peterlag said:

I could still be correct if we factor in that there are indeed places in the Epistles where Paul is writing to babes who cannot handle the meat of the Scripture that I teach. However, even on the surface I can say Romans 12:2 could be presenting your bodies a living sacrifice by putting on the mind of Christ once and for all because it is not a daily thing. And Philippians has that word again "in Christ Jesus." And it's that in Christ Jesus that I believe is walking in the spirit. Timothy 4:7 can just be saying I stayed in the spirit of Christ and that's how I finished the race. 

Milk is only for a Time,  If we are not maturing, we are not succeeding

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Hebrews 5:12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. 13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. 14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

1 Peter 2:2 Therefore, laying aside all malice, all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and all evil speaking, 2 as newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grow thereby

1 Corinthians 3:3 And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ. 2 I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able; 3 for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and [a]behaving like mere men?

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You are correct in stating that everything we are when we are saved is because of Christ, But what we become (grow up to be) is a joint effort of Christ and Us. 

If we abdicate our responsibilities, we will forever remain babes.

 

Edited March 24, 2021 by Riverwalker

[missmuffet]

On 3/22/2021 at 3:08 PM, Peterlag said:

The Bible tells us that since Jesus Christ is glorified, and since we have the spirit of Christ born within is how that puts us into the category of being glorified by God. It is written in Romans 8:29-30, “For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.”

What Romans is telling us is that by the knowledge of God, we were appointed to destiny by His divine decision to receive salvation. We will become similar to the image of His Son (who is the first to be risen out from among the dead) when Jesus Christ appears for the gathering together of the saints. Those who are the called of God, are the ones He invited into this extraordinary liberation from the slavery of sin nature, and therefore was able to transform us into a more excellent beauty.

I would like to point out we can only be glorified because it's God’s superiority, and exalted light that has magnified the Christ to shine in such beauty as an image of light, with divine praise, honor and dignity. It's the Christ who blazed a trail to God’s heart of love, and therefore was the first who was transformed into a more splendid and excellent beauty.

I am not perfect but I will be when I get my glorified body. 

[Peterlag]

3 hours ago, missmuffet said:

I am not perfect but I will be when I get my glorified body. 

I would encourage you to find on YouTube the teaching called "The Perfect You" by... Andrew Farley, and listen to Part 5. Why? Because he says the complete opposite of what you just said.

[popsthebuilder]

On 3/23/2021 at 2:25 PM, OneLight said:

No disagreement there, but that does not answer the question about how God is transformed, and allow me to add, into what?

The Word became flesh.

[Marathoner]

46 minutes ago, popsthebuilder said:

The Word became flesh.

Indeed!

But when the fullness of the time came, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons and daughters. (Galatians 4:4-5)

I understand what you're getting at, @Peterlag, when you write that you're not looking at things from our perspective. This is the essential disconnect and why so many find fault with much of what you write. As I pointed out elsewhere, we are already seated in the heavenly places with Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:6) but there's something that needs to be pointed out:

We also toil in this world bearing our weakness, being that body of corruption (the old man) which returns to the dust. All things proceed in the earthly realm according to time (Ecclesiastes 3:1) and until our appointed time comes, we are not with the Lord in fullness (2 Corinthians 5:8). The hope of our salvation in this world is thus, that the day comes when we will exchange the corruptible for the incorruptible (1 Corinthians 15:53). 

[OneLight]

1 hour ago, popsthebuilder said:

The Word became flesh.

That was not what was being said.  Read the OP and you will see what the transformation was about.

[popsthebuilder]

12 hours ago, OneLight said:

That was not what was being said.  Read the OP and you will see what the transformation was about.

I read the op. I then read someone ask when GOD changed. I answered the latter. 

[OneLight]

3 hours ago, popsthebuilder said:

I read the op. I then read someone ask when GOD changed. I answered the latter. 

Here is how the conversation went @popsthebuilder.  I read the following from Peterlag ...

On 3/22/2021 at 6:08 PM, Peterlag said:

It's the Christ who blazed a trail to God’s heart of love, and therefore was the first who was transformed into a more splendid and excellent beauty.

then I asked the question ...

On 3/22/2021 at 6:39 PM, OneLight said:

Do you believe Jesus is God, if so, how was He transformed?

Since God has always been perfect, how could He "transform into a more and splendid and excellent beauty"?  This question has not been answered yet, unless one believes Jesus is not God, therefore having the space to improve.