There are words I have never heard in the bible

[Riverwalker]

4 minutes ago, Sparks said:

Old was for Israel alone.  

The Old Testament is the foundation for the New.  And we Christians are the New Israel

 

[Sparks]

1 hour ago, Riverwalker said:

The Old Testament is the foundation for the New.  And we Christians are the New Israel

The old covenant was made obsolete in Hebrews 8 but it was exclusively for and about the nation of Israel, and the new covenant is for all nations including Israel.

I do somewhat understand what you are saying about the New Israel, figuratively, but the Jews are still God's chosen people.  Nothing changed there. The events of the End Times will be about Jerusalem, though it will affect us all.  The Third Temple will be over there, for example.

[popsthebuilder]

1 hour ago, Ozarkbound said:

I'll take Christ's words over yours.

Please do. If you contend that my words do not express biblical truth then please do support your claim.

[popsthebuilder]

54 minutes ago, Sparks said:

The old covenant was made obsolete in Hebrews 8 but it was exclusively for and about the nation of Israel, and the new covenant is for all nations including Israel.

I do somewhat understand what you are saying about the New Israel, but the Jews are still God's chosen people.  Nothing changed there. The events of the End Times will be about Jerusalem, though it will affect us all.  The Third Temple will be over there, for example.

I'm sorry; but the "third temple" is not some structure built by the hands of men. The Holy Temple of GOD is the believer. Similarly to how the body of Christ is comprised of believers.

Israel is a reference to the believer and has zero to do with geography...in my opinion.

 

[Sparks]

16 minutes ago, popsthebuilder said:

I'm sorry; but the "third temple" is not some structure built by the hands of men. The Holy Temple of GOD is the believer. Similarly to how the body of Christ is comprised of believers.

Israel is a reference to the believer and has zero to do with geography...in my opinion.

The Third Temple is literally being built today, in Israel.  They have all the internal components, such as the altar, and they have found their Levitican Priest, and the red heifer, the sacrificial lambs, and so on. 

The only thing preventing the structure from being fully built is that they have no idea where the first two temples sat.  Once they find that very spot, they will build the Third Temple and start sacrificing, and the Third Temple is where the anti-christ will eventually sit, and claim to be God.

Could you be meaning the New Jerusalem?  It's something that Jesus is building with 'pure gold, like clear glass' and 'crystal clear jasper,' etc.  It is a structure Jesus is building.

[Sparks]

1 minute ago, Walter Goraj jr said:

1): you stated: "Is this not describing Israel from their prior covenant with God, when God didn't extend salvation to all nations?"

" Even us, whom He hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?"

Salvation was ( and is) available to all of God's chosen,  OT and NT alike. There is only one plan of salvation. 

2): you stated : "but do you have some scripture that says Jesus will reject people who wish to be saved"

That's sad, you're putting this on the Lord Jesus, as if He is the one at fault (God forbid).

There are no verses because anyone who "wishes" to be saved is doing it  from a desperately wicked heart. It would be the same thing as someone that wants to  "seek after God", and if you have ever read Romans 3, you know that's not possible. 

STEP ONE: God must open our eyes, draw us to Himself, Have His Holy Spirit indwell us, or quicken us first before we can respond in a fruitful way, like believing on Him, receiving Him and wanting to please Him.

 

I am sorry, but I am not putting anything on my Lord Jesus.   Do you understand the difference between the old and new covenants, and what Jesus offered us in the new?

[BeyondET]

11 minutes ago, Sparks said:

The Third Temple is literally being built today, in Israel.  They have all the internal components, such as the altar, and they have found their Levitican Priest, and the red heifer, the sacrificial lambs, and so on. 

The only thing preventing the structure from being fully built is that they have no idea where the first two temples sat.  Once they find that very spot, they will build the Third Temple and start sacrificing, and the Third Temple is where the anti-christ will eventually sit, and claim to be God.

Could you be meaning the New Jerusalem?  It's something that Jesus is building with 'pure gold, like clear glass' and 'crystal clear jasper,' etc.  It is a structure Jesus is building.

I was just reading 2 Thessalonians 2, I haven’t looked much into it but wonder what the rebellion is that is first, the man of lawlessness is revealed, then the temple is rebuilt man of destruction seats in it. 

[Sparks]

8 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

I was just reading 2 Thessalonians 2, I haven’t looked much into it but wonder what the rebellion is that is first, the man of lawlessness is revealed, then the temple is rebuilt man of destruction seats in it. 

There are quite a few prophesies remaining before we enter the Tribulation, but I suspect the Third Temple will be erected and will already be handling sacrifices, first.  It is the anti-christ will show up and stop the sacrifices.

This is speculation in that the building must be there for the anti-christ to show up and visit it, but we don't now the exact timing of any of this.

George has all kinds of resources on prophecy.  He studies it and makes presentations on it. 

[David1701]

11 hours ago, Sparks said:

I guess I still doubt it.

That is a shame.

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It's from the New Testament, but it was describing events in Israel from the old Testament.   The New Covenant is for all nations, and the Old was for Israel alone.  

1) Israel was supposed to spread God's word to the nations.

2) Saved Gentiles are now grafted in to spiritual Israel.

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I didn't say faith, I said belief just as the scripture said.  You choose what you believe.  Faith means trust, and you also choose what you trust.  Both are choices.

The same Greek word is translated "belief" and "faith", in the NT.  If you mean "belief", in the sense of "mental assent", then such "belief" is not the means God uses to save anyone anyway.  Even in this case (mental assent to facts), if you are objective, then it is not based on choice but on realisation that something is true.

In the case of choosing to trust someone, that is true in human to human relationships; but, no unregenerate person will trust in the Lord, because his nature is hostile towards God and he hates the light (i.e. he hates the gospel and the Lord).

Rom. 8:7-9 (KJV)

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
  8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
  9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

John 3:19,20 (KJV)

 19  And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 
  20  For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 

Note the contrast with those whom God has made born again.

John 3:21 (KJV) But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. 

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We are not going to agree.  I don't believe what you believe and I don't think your presented evidence was strong, so let's quit here. 

I'm sad that you don't believe what the Bible says about this; but, God is sovereign and he can open your heart, just as he opened Lydia's.

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Thanks for the chat.

I was witnessing, not chatting.

[popsthebuilder]

10 hours ago, Sparks said:

The Third Temple is literally being built today, in Israel.  They have all the internal components, such as the altar, and they have found their Levitican Priest, and the red heifer, the sacrificial lambs, and so on. 

The only thing preventing the structure from being fully built is that they have no idea where the first two temples sat.  Once they find that very spot, they will build the Third Temple and start sacrificing, and the Third Temple is where the anti-christ will eventually sit, and claim to be God.

Could you be meaning the New Jerusalem?  It's something that Jesus is building with 'pure gold, like clear glass' and 'crystal clear jasper,' etc.  It is a structure Jesus is building.

I am referring to the vessel in which the very Spirit of GOD is pleased to dwell. It is the Christ of GOD that begins this work no doubt.

I see now you were referring to a temple built by man's hands, and too that you are aware that such a structure is not the actual holy temple of GOD.

 

peace