There are words I have never heard in the bible

[Justin Adams]

15 minutes ago, leah777 said:

We know the silent child call happens to mothers, we dont know how.

Good points. There is far more to us and the Lord than any doctrine can express. We are extremely complex and the only One that comes close to understanding us is our Maker.

We see the ripples in the water, but never the pebble that caused them or the 'caster of the stone'.

Edited April 6, 2021 by Justin Adams

[Guest clancy]

51 minutes ago, David1701 said:

Exactly!  He does not want to and he cannot.  This is why we MUST be born again, in order to see and enter the kingdom of God, by faith in Jesus Christ.

And it’s a miracle how God brings us to crying out to Jesus..I’m not getting involved in this discussion any further, because some can’t seem to accept how others became born again..

i had never read a bible in my life but the Holy Spirit saved me and it was amazing!!

i know that I am born again/ Gods child and that’s all that matters, I won’t be questioned anymore on how I received the indwelling Holy Spirit.

 

All the Glory goes to God on my saving and I did zilch, ..

Edited April 6, 2021 by clancy

[popsthebuilder]

3 hours ago, Josheb said:

No, I said the premise of unity is bad teaching. Teaching it will happen on this side of the grave is false. I explicitly cited Ephesians 4, a passage that speaks explicitly of unity so please read my posts more carefully; it is not logically possible to conclude I say unity is a false teaching given what I actually posted. 

 

Let's see if we can agree on a pair of things real, real basic. 

1) we are to grow into Christlikeness. Yes? No?

2) the conclusion of that growth occurs only through our own physical death and resurrection whereby we are raised imperishable and immortal = Christlike. Yes? No? 

Seems like an excuse to revel in that which is not of the will of the Lord.

So bad teaching isn't false teaching then?

So we are to just claim we cannot do what is of the will of GOD because we have not been given of the Spirit?

Was the Christ of GOD speaking of things people will do after they die when He said "even greater things"?

No compartmentalizing please.

[Marathoner]

1 hour ago, leah777 said:

maybe I didnt explain properly. I mean what triggers the desire to be born again and turn from sin? something must happen for our sinful selves to want to turn to God, be born again.

This is the work of Jesus Christ in us. As the scripture affirms, 

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. (Ephesians 2:8-10 NKJV)

Hence we are the work of His hand (His workmanship), set aside for His purpose (those works which God prepared beforehand for us to walk in) before we were born.  

Edited April 6, 2021 by Marathoner
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[Marathoner]

There is an appointed time for every matter under heaven (Ecclesiastes 3:1). Thus I'm fond of writing,

There was a time to wander in darkness, and a season to labor under the sun;
There was a time to be lost, and a season to be found.
A time for wounds, and a season for healing,
A time to be buried with Him in death, and a season to rise with Him in Life. 

Our Father draws us to His Son Jesus Christ and He commits us into His hand. This is where we remain to the glory of God! 

Edited April 6, 2021 by Marathoner

[Sparks]

1 hour ago, David1701 said:

1) Did you have a complete change of heart and mind, regarding sin and God, trusting completely in Jesus Christ, in love, when you supposedly "accepted a gift"?

Supposedly?  You are questioning my salvation, again? 

Yep.  Being born again and saved is a spiritual rebirth. 

1 hour ago, David1701 said:

2) Do you thank God and give him the glory, for giving you that repentance and faith, or do you claim that you generated those yourself, thus boasting and giving yourself the glory?

I will try to answer this loaded question.  God allowed me to choose my destiny, as He does with us all; to choose His gift of salvation, or decline it. 

You would seem to think that choosing to receive a gift is somehow works.  It's not.  I performed NO WORKS, and contributed in no way to saving myself.  God did that.  I simply made a choice to receive a gift.

I guess in your fatalistic view, you find it absolutely shocking and maybe even impossible that God gave us a choice that we can freely make, in any matter? 

An example of works would be to claim that Baptism partially saved me, as if my efforts in being dunked in water contributed to my salvation. 

Choosing salvation is not a works-based salvation. 

[Sparks]

1 hour ago, leah777 said:

maybe I didnt explain properly. I mean what triggers the desire to be born again and turn from sin? something must happen for our sinful selves to want to turn to God, be born again.

When you hear the Good News, and believe it, it's that simple.

[David1701]

1 hour ago, leah777 said:

maybe I didnt explain properly. I mean what triggers the desire to be born again and turn from sin? something must happen for our sinful selves to want to turn to God, be born again.

You don't want to turn from sin, until God makes you born again, then you do want to turn from sin to God.

Salvation starts with God, not with man.  It is God who decides whose heart to open to the gospel, giving that person repentance and faith.  If he did not do this, then not one person would repent and believe.

[Guest clancy]

3 minutes ago, David1701 said:

You don't want to turn from sin, until God makes you born again, then you do want to turn from sin to God.

Salvation starts with God, not with man.  It is God who decides whose heart to open to the gospel, giving that person repentance and faith.  If he did not do this, then not one person would repent and believe.

Amen!   Amen!  Amen!....

[David1701]

1 hour ago, Sparks said:

Supposedly?  You are questioning my salvation, again? 

My point was that being saved in not just about "accepting an offer"; it is about repenting and believing in Jesus Christ.

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I will try to answer this loaded question.  God allowed me to choose my destiny, as He does with us all; to choose His gift of salvation, or decline it. 

This is arrogance of the worst kind!  It is GOD who predestines!  You do not choose your destiny, God chose your destiny, before the foundation of the world.

You are just repeating your heresy over and over again, without engaging with the biblical points that refute you, so I'm going to leave it here and hope that God softens your heart.

Edited April 6, 2021 by David1701
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