The concept of the original sin

[Guest clancy]

To be in right standing with God we must be obedient, that is something we learn by the empowering of the Holy Spirit who leads us.

We learn to walk with the Holy Spirit, took me ages for him to get that through to me, nevertheless he got the message across.

Edited April 6, 2021 by clancy

[Justin Adams]

To answer the OP with a question. Has anyone considered the impacts of Gen 6 and the proliferation of self destructive behavior that this incursion precipitated?

Why was the law given? To counteract transgressions! Namely, the transgression of the 'angels that sinned'.  There is a good scholarly peer-reviewed paper on this possibility.

[PeterR]

1 hour ago, Waggles said:

The epistles to the churches teach of this ... how to become children of the light and to walk in righteousness which is doing the commandments of God.

So yes it is a learning process by the Holy Spirit and growing in spiritual understanding of what is approved of by God. 

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared for the salvation of all men, 12 training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live sober, upright, and godly lives in this world, 13 awaiting our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all iniquity and to purify for himself a people of his own possession, who are zealous for good works.

Are you suggesting that there may be less and more righteous among us? This is what I conclude after what you wrote.

Can we be at different stages of righteousness?

Edited April 6, 2021 by PeterR

[Waggles]

8 minutes ago, PeterR said:

Can we be at different stages of righteousness?

Our spiritual walk parallels our natural development.

When a person is born new again by water baptism and Holy Spirit baptism they are babes in Christ. And yes they have been set free from sin and their old life. Now begins the process of reading the word of God and learning from the word aided by the work of the Holy Spirit within us.

So we start out as babes, but we need to grow and mature in wisdom and knowledge about what is good and what is evil/sin. Eventually becoming mature adults in Christ Jesus and having "life experience" through overcoming temptations and tribulations. 

After 24 years of Pentecostal Christian life I have a greater understanding of righteousness and doing it than when I first believed and was converted. That does not mean that God my father did not chastise me or correct me in the earlier days through much more direct intervention by his Spirit guiding me. Now these days I am much more responsible for my own walk and in displaying the fruit of the Spirit in my life. 

Romans 5:1 Therefore, since we are justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Through him we have obtained access to this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in our hope of sharing the glory of God. 3 More than that, we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, 4 and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, 5 and hope does not disappoint us, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit which has been given to us.

[PeterR]

29 minutes ago, Waggles said:

After 24 years of Pentecostal Christian life I have a greater understanding of righteousness and doing it than when I first believed and was converted.

Are you saying that your justice is greater than one of the malefactors who hung on the cross next to Jesus?

[PeterR]

19 hours ago, OneLight said:

Remember, you have to be honest because you say you do not sin ...

Do you want a free servant of God to be enslaved by some law?
Does he sin? No, he isn't.

Since he doesn't live in the old Law, his sin cannot be defined.

The Lord's disciple would fall into sin again if he departed from the path of Faith (it would be a sin to return to the Commandments, and thus to appeal to one's righteousness and fall out of grace. Gal 3:1-14)

Edited April 6, 2021 by PeterR

[OneLight]

1 hour ago, PeterR said:

21 hours ago, OneLight said:

When you make it sound like you are the author of someone else's work, that is called plagiarism, which is against the law.  Copy and pasting word for word is not clearing anything up, and not giving credit to the original writer is like stealing.  You have even claimed in another thread you created that the site belongs to you and that Stephen is your work.  Which is it?  Did you personally write Stephen and is the site yours or are you stealing the work of another, changing a word or two, and calling it yours?

Remember, you have to be honest because you say you do not sin ...

Do you want a free servant of God to be enslaved by some law?
Does he sin? No, he isn't.

Since he doesn't live in the old Law, his sin cannot be defined.

The Lord's disciple would fall into sin again if he departed from the path of Faith (it would be a sin to return to the Commandments, and thus to appeal to one's righteousness and fall out of grace. Gal 3:1-14)

Your reply is not an answer, but another dodge.  Your teachings are a danger to anyone trying to follow scripture.  Jesus, when questioned about a law in those times about paying taxes, said to “Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”  Jesus Himself would not break the law.  Are you greater than Jesus?

Paul in Romans 13:1-2 also stated "Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.  Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves."

So to answer your fist question, Yes, we are to obey the law.  For you to teach otherwise is to teach another way, not His way. 

I'm still waiting for your answer to my questions. 

[PeterR]

Rom 4:4-8

Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 
Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 
Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. 

 

Pro 17:15  He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.

[PeterR]

8 hours ago, OneLight said:

Jesus Himself would not break the law.  Are you greater than Jesus?

Paul in Romans 13:1-2 also stated "Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.  Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves."

So to answer your fist question, Yes, we are to obey the law.  For you to teach otherwise is to teach another way, not His way. 

 

(I will refer to the part which I believe relates to my questions.)

 

Legalizing abortion, legalizing same-sex marriage, legalizing transgenderism, introducing the concept of intellectual theft and many other depravations by governments ...
And for about a year the government also forbids to love our relatives as ourselves and even suggests to persecute enemies.

Isn't all this just a fallen human point of view?

 

1Ti 1:9-11  Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 
For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 
According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

 

Edited April 7, 2021 by PeterR

[Waggles]

27 minutes ago, PeterR said:

And for about a year the government also forbids to love our relatives as ourselves and even suggests to persecute enemies

1Timothy 1:

6 Certain persons by swerving from these have wandered away into vain discussion, 7 desiring to be teachers of the law, without understanding either what they are saying or the things about which they make assertions.

8 Now we know that the law is good, if any one uses it lawfully, 9 understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 immoral persons, sodomites, kidnapers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, 11 in accordance with the glorious gospel of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.

I understand here that Paul is referring to the Law of Moses not Roman laws.