The concept of the original sin

[Peterlag]

1 hour ago, OneLight said:

All this and still no answer.  I grow tired of your game of dodge.  Instead, let have an honest and mature discussion by asking and answering questions and not continue this contest of who knows what and how much.

I'm answering your questions to the best of my ability. You don't like my answers so you call it nonsense. The book of Revelation is not addressed to the Christian. I don't know why you can't hear me. You can say all you want that I'm picking certain verses or not answering you. But Revelation is concerning Israel and not Christians. It's mostly all about the Jewish people right down to its Law and the candle sticks.

[Peterlag]

1 hour ago, David1701 said:

Do you honestly believe that hostile-to-God, light-hating, things of the Spirit of God hating sinners, love the law of God in their inward man; but see another principle in their flesh, fighting against their inward man???

I don't have any fights with my flesh. Nothing is fighting with my inward man. I believe the spirit of Christ is my new nature and therefore I have been able to function in it. To live in it, walk by it, and be in it. When I finally figured this out is when the lights turned on. Most of my life I believed I was in a battle between what I thought was my old man fighting against what I thought was my new man. Now I'm not fighting. I moved right in the darn thing. It seems to me one cannot walk in or by the spirit if our old nature (which is dead) thinks it's fighting against our new nature.

[Peterlag]

1 hour ago, Waggles said:

Romans 1:

1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God 2 which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy scriptures, 3 the gospel concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh 4 and designated Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord, 5 through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith for the sake of his name among all the nations, 6 including yourselves who are called to belong to Jesus Christ;

7 To all God’s beloved in Rome, who are called to be saints:

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

What's your point?

[David1701]

24 minutes ago, Peterlag said:

I don't have any fights with my flesh. Nothing is fighting with my inward man. I believe the spirit of Christ is my new nature and therefore I have been able to function in it. To live in it, walk by it, and be in it. When I finally figured this out is when the lights turned on. Most of my life I believed I was in a battle between what I thought was my old man fighting against what I thought was my new man. Now I'm not fighting. I moved right in the darn thing. It seems to me one cannot walk in or by the spirit if our old nature (which is dead) thinks it's fighting against our new nature.

 

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I don't have any fights with my flesh. Nothing is fighting with my inward man.

Congratulations!  How does it feel to be the first Christian in history not to have to battle with this flesh? 

[Waggles]

36 minutes ago, Peterlag said:

But Revelation is concerning Israel and not Christians. It's mostly all about the Jewish people right down to its Law and the candle sticks.

Shaking my head in disbelief. Peter you are in doctrinal la-la land. 

[OneLight]

40 minutes ago, Peterlag said:

I'm answering your questions to the best of my ability. You don't like my answers so you call it nonsense. The book of Revelation is not addressed to the Christian. I don't know why you can't hear me. You can say all you want that I'm picking certain verses or not answering you. But Revelation is concerning Israel and not Christians. It's mostly all about the Jewish people right down to its Law and the candle sticks.

Don't like your answers?  What answers??  So far you posted a bunch of scriptures that didn't answer my question, then you talked about someone you agree with, still no answer.  But, this time there seems to be an answer.  Your answer is that the Book of Revelation is not for the Christian.  You did mention the following: "is written directly to the Jews, belongs to and is for the Jews. What is written directly to the Gentiles, belongs to and is for the Gentiles. What is written directly to the Church of God, belongs to and is for the Church of God."  So, let me ask, where do you split up the scripture and why, since in Christ we are all one?  What so you do with Galatians 3:26-29?

For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.  For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.  There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.  And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

It seems Paul must of been wrong according to your theology.  We are not all the same, though Paul did complain to the Corinthians about the divisions they were creating.  You are creating the same divisions by saying only parts of the bible are for the church and others are not.

I will agree that when the scripture were written, there were to the audience of that time, but nowhere in scripture does it tell us that Revelation is not for the church, nor the gentiles, but the Jews only, as just one example.

 

[OneLight]

1 hour ago, Peterlag said:

I don't have any fights with my flesh. Nothing is fighting with my inward man. I believe the spirit of Christ is my new nature and therefore I have been able to function in it. To live in it, walk by it, and be in it. When I finally figured this out is when the lights turned on. Most of my life I believed I was in a battle between what I thought was my old man fighting against what I thought was my new man. Now I'm not fighting. I moved right in the darn thing. It seems to me one cannot walk in or by the spirit if our old nature (which is dead) thinks it's fighting against our new nature.

Paul wrote to the Galatians about how the flesh battles after the Spirit and the Spirit against the flesh.  Galatians 5:16-18

But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.  For the desire of the flesh is against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, in order to keep you from doing whatever you want.  But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

Nowhere does Paul speak in past tense, but is present tense, meaning that while we are still in this life, the flesh will still battle against the Spirit and the Spirit against the flesh. 

Again, the writer of Hebrews tells us in Hebrews 4:14-16

Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.  For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.  Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

Here we learn that Jesus was tempted in the very same way we are, but was without sin, while the writer is encouraging the readers to seek grace and mercy when they fail, in their time of need.

Now, when Paul addressed the issue of temptation, he said to the church in Corinth the following in 1 Corinthians 10:12-14:

Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.  No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.

Again, speaking present tense, telling them that when they are tempted, God has made a way out for them if they follow His leading.  Nowhere in any of the scripture provided does it say we are not in a battle with the desires of the flesh.  Be careful as Paul also gives a warning to those who "thinks he stands" to "take heed lest he fall". 

One last piece of scripture for you.  Proverbs 16:18

Pride goes before destruction, And a haughty spirit before a fall.

 

 

[Peterlag]

1 hour ago, David1701 said:

 

Congratulations!  How does it feel to be the first Christian in history not to have to battle with this flesh? 

I thought you would never ask...

Being in Christ is not what I was taught, meaning that you are in fellowship, which means you are walking upright with your flesh. I now understand being in Christ is being in the spirit and neither of them (in Christ or in the spirit) has anything to do with the darn flesh.

It now seems perfectly clear to walk in or by the spirit is the same as putting on the Lord Jesus Christ. It's the same as having fellowship with Jesus Christ, which is also part of having the mind of Christ. Living in Christ is the same as being strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. There's a verse where Jesus says without me you can do nothing. Well, I'm never without him.

So I can continue to say I have the mind of Christ, and therefore can stand fast in the Lord, whereby I can do all things through Christ. Why? Because as I have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so I can walk in him. I would like to also note that both faith and love are in Christ Jesus, which means in my spirit... because it's the spirit of Christ that is in me. And yes this is why as he is so am I in this world.

[Peterlag]

1 hour ago, OneLight said:

Don't like your answers?  What answers??  So far you posted a bunch of scriptures that didn't answer my question, then you talked about someone you agree with, still no answer.  But, this time there seems to be an answer.  Your answer is that the Book of Revelation is not for the Christian.  You did mention the following: "is written directly to the Jews, belongs to and is for the Jews. What is written directly to the Gentiles, belongs to and is for the Gentiles. What is written directly to the Church of God, belongs to and is for the Church of God."  So, let me ask, where do you split up the scripture and why, since in Christ we are all one?  What so you do with Galatians 3:26-29?

For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.  For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.  There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.  And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

It seems Paul must of been wrong according to your theology.  We are not all the same, though Paul did complain to the Corinthians about the divisions they were creating.  You are creating the same divisions by saying only parts of the bible are for the church and others are not.

I will agree that when the scripture were written, there were to the audience of that time, but nowhere in scripture does it tell us that Revelation is not for the church, nor the gentiles, but the Jews only, as just one example.

 

I don't see a problem with Galatians. I have been saying this hundreds of times and you still can't hear me. Verse 26 "In Christ" Verse 27 "baptized into Christ" Verse 28 "in Christ"

[OneLight]

5 minutes ago, Peterlag said:

I don't see a problem with Galatians. I have been saying this hundreds of times and you still can't hear me. Verse 26 "In Christ" Verse 27 "baptized into Christ" Verse 28 "in Christ"

Yet, you say the bible, as a whole, is not for everyone, but some for the Jews, some for Gentiles and some for the Church.  According to Scripture we are all one in Christ, no division, which destroys the boundaries you list.  That was my point.  

Now, consider this - 2 Timothy 3:16-17

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Notice "All Scripture".  Do you agree with scripture?  If so, then answering the question about what Jesus said to the 7 churches should be inclusive, not exclusive because Revelation belongs to the Jews, not the church, as you claimed when you would not answer the question.