The relationship

[Aries2020]

Greetings,

Born again. 

Baptised in water. 

Baptised in the Holy Spirit. 

Why do you think we need to be born again, baptised in water and receive the Holy Spirit? What is the purpose between them?

Edited April 2, 2021 by Aries2020

[Guest kingdombrat]

How do you know there is wind, Nicodemus?   Can you physically see it?   Or do you see and feel it.?   But even though you cannot see it, you can feel it, see its effects, and can hear it.   So the wind is true.   I love that conversation between Yeshua and Nicodemus about being [Born Again].

 

Can a grown man really be born of his mother again, Nicodemus initially thought hahahaha 

 

Awesome illustration by the WORD Himself!

[Aries2020]

8 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

How do you know there is wind, Nicodemus?   Can you physically see it?   Or do you see and feel it.?   But even though you cannot see it, you can feel it, see its effects, and can hear it.   So the wind is true.   I love that conversation between Yeshua and Nicodemus about being [Born Again].

 

Can a grown man really be born of his mother again, Nicodemus initially thought hahahaha 

 

Awesome illustration by the WORD Himself!

Amen how difficult would it be to understand you must be born again without the conversation filling in the blanks. 

[Guest kingdombrat]

47 minutes ago, Aries2020 said:

Amen how difficult would it be to understand you must be born again without the conversation filling in the blanks. 

It still presents issues.   Whether you're explaining to a child or an atheist adult, it's a conversation where it opens doors to be questioned and attacked if you get off track in your explanation.   And just the reasoning about a rebirth non physical seems borderline psychotic to many.   It can get off track fast if God isn't leading you.

[Aries2020]

Sorry I was referring to the background conversation between Jesus and Nicodemus, after Jesus said a man must be born again.

There conversation helped to give believers a better understanding and fill in the blanks. 

Edited April 2, 2021 by Aries2020

[Guest kingdombrat]

Just now, Aries2020 said:

Sorry I was referring to the background conversation between Jesus and Nicodemus, after Jesus said a man must be born again.

That help to give believers a better understanding and fill in the blanks. 

Yes, exactly, and why I enjoy that passage because it really is a 3 dimensional viewpoint from the whole picture.

[Aries2020]

1 minute ago, kingdombrat said:

Yes, exactly, and why I enjoy that passage because it really is a 3 dimensional viewpoint from the whole picture.

So why do you think believers are encouraged or need to be water baptised, if the born again experience is enough for believers?  

[Guest kingdombrat]

2 minutes ago, Aries2020 said:

So why do you think believers are encouraged or need to be water baptised, if the born again experience is enough for believers?  

Oddly Enough, I just answered this in another thread before your's popped up.   So, I'll copy/paste my answer there for here.

 

It's a public sign of Following the very example of Christ.   There is no cleansing to it, no guarantee of anything but a little wetter than before, no implications towards Salvation.  The true [significance] of the being a "witness" to water submission, is a practice that is acceptable in the form of being His Witness. 

 

John was preaching "Baptism" in a form of being buried under something and coming up clean.   He turns that idealism into being covered in the Blood of Christ.   He honored the One he preached about and humbled himself to fulfill the purpose of Yeshua's Baptism.   

 

So, even though there is no attachment to (1) must do (2) a requirement for Salvation (3) a Direct command, there is still a Spiritual [connection].  John witnessed this Connection when He [being the only one and testifying to it later in John's Gospel] where the Complete Godhead United on Earth.   This was a Promise John had asked from God to give him a sign to who the Messiah would be.   And somehow, the obedience to be [Baptized] and be His open Witness, there's a special spiritual connection we don't know the real significance of, yet.

[R. Hartono]

Just now, Aries2020 said:

So why do you think believers are encouraged or need to be water baptised, if the born again experience is enough for believers?  

It symbolizes a new Life like a baby being born out of the womb when the womb water content burst out.

[Aries2020]

amen, so after being born again a believer can be water baptised to be a follower of Jesus, do you think believers need to receive the Holy Spirit?  

Edited April 2, 2021 by Aries2020