When was Satan kicked out of heaven?

[Shua3000]

Does the Bible mention if Satan was banned from heaven before Adam and Eve bit from the forbidden fruit? Was it Satan that influenced Eve to bite the fruit. Was was the fruit really? 

[1to3]

1 hour ago, Shua3000 said:

Does the Bible mention if Satan was banned from heaven before Adam and Eve bit from the forbidden fruit? Was it Satan that influenced Eve to bite the fruit. Was was the fruit really? 

According to Holy Scripture of the bible,

In the beginning was God the Father Son and Holy Spirit, than began the creation of everything else. The bible states that all of creation was created within six days and that God was pleased and found all to be GOOD. On the seventh day God rested.

The bible says that Lucifer was an anointed Cherub, until sin/pride was found in him, and so he and 1/3 of the angels satan managed to also corrupt, where cast out from Gods third heaven.  Christ Jesus mentions how He was there when lucifer got cast out of heaven like lightning. The third heaven is where God resides and God who is Light cannot dwell with any darkness.  1John ch1.

So with that said, Lucifer must have sinned sometime after the seven day of the creation period. If satan tempted Eve and Adam it was because sin was already in him.

The holy bible says that the serpent tempted Eve, so the serpent had to have been corrupted by satan.

The bible says because the serpent was corrupted and then proceeded to corrupt Eve and Eve Adam, they all got the end results of being corrupted. Adam and Eve having to labor hard to live and the serpent loosing his legs to have to crawl in the dust where the results of their sin /disobedience to Gods LAW. Because of that all of nature  in the first and 2nd heaven got corrupted. After the earth was corrupted all life forms, animals, humans, vegetation, insects, everything got corrupted. It all became a dog eat dog world, whilst before that everything was in harmony, nothing killed nothing, every living thing that Good had created in the six day creation the bible states was GOOD.

Before sin was, the earth was perfectly GOOD=without sin.

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[Whyme]

3 minutes ago, 1to3 said:

According to Holy Scripture of the bible,

In the beginning was God the Father Son and Holy Spirit, than began the creation of everything else. The bible states that all of creation was created within six days and that God was pleased and found all to be GOOD. On the seventh day God rested.

The bible says that Lucifer was an anointed Cherub, until sin/pride was found in him, and so he and 1/3 of the angels satan managed to also corrupt, where cast out from Gods third heaven.  Christ Jesus mentions how He was there when satab got cast out of heaven like lightning. The third heaven is were God resides and God who is Light cannot dwell with any darkness.  1John ch1.

So with that said, Lucifer must have sinned sometime after the seven day of the creation period. If satan tempted Eve and Adam it was because sin was already in him.

The holy bible says that the serpent tempted Eve, so the serpent had to have been corrupted by satan.

The bible says because the serpent was corrupted and then proceeded to corrupt Eve and Eve Adam, they all got the end results of being corrupted. Adam and Eve having to labor hard to live and the serpent loosing his legs to have to crawl in the dust where the results of their sin /disobedience to Gods LAW. Because of that all of nature  in the first and 2nd heaven got corrupted. After the earth was corrupted all life forms, animals, humans, vegetation, insects, everything got corrupted. It all became a dog eat dog world, whilst before that everything was in harmony, nothing killed nothing, every living thing that Good had created in the six day creation the bible states was GOOD.

Before sin was, the earth was perfectly GOOD=without sin.

Eating dust from the ground, I wonder if that can refer to death. 

[Starise]

Here is one view- When God made the earth in 6 days and rested on the 7th He said it was all good. The angelic fall must have happened after that time. Before this creation on earth was all 'good'. The rebellion happened in heaven not on earth. When Satan was kicked from heaven to earth sin entered earth's domain and has been at work here ever since. Satan that beautiful angel was in the garden and was responsible for helping Adam and Eve to fall.

The above view on WHEN Satan fell from heaven assumes a few things. Simply because God's earthly creation was all good in 6 days does not necessarily have a bearing on what went down in heaven. Angelic creation preceded earthly creation. The fallen angelic host might not have been expressly included in the "all was good" idea. God was referring to his 6 day creation on earth. I won't argue the point with anyone, but I am not convinced based on only the 6 days creation text that this included the angels who could have been about  as fallen before this time. It all depends on how you choose to see the 6 days of good creation as comparted to the fallen heavenly host. It is said 1/3 of the angels rebelled and were kicked out of heaven.

In the end, WHEN it happened isn't as important to me as what happened as a result and how this has affected not only Adam and Eve but all men from then on. The war is still a ragin' they just moved the battleground to earth.

In the book of Job we have Satan approaching God to inquire about Job. Apparently Satan still has some sort of limited access to God Almighty. He also approached Jesus while He was on earth to tempt Him. Satan can approach God yet is not living in heaven.

Lots of people speculate  on what the actual fruit was. In Sunday school we are taught about talking animals in the Garden Of Eden. As I study these scriptures I am led to believe the whole thing is more of a representation of what happened in layman's terms. We all know there's no such thing as talking snakes. So Satan was a poser. Was the fruit really something edible, or was this a way to explain something we might not have grasped otherwise?

[1to3]

5 minutes ago, Whyme said:

Eating dust from the ground, I wonder if that can refer to death. 

Well it could, but the act of eating is an action, and so you have to be alive to be in motion for an action to happen, Also being so close to the ground eating dust seems to result. The bible does says we are made from dust and from dust we shall return.

"And the LORD God formed man ‭of‭ the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

Genesis 2:7, KJV

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[1to3]

8 minutes ago, Starise said:

The rebellion happened in heaven not on earth.

Hi Starise, where in the bible does it mention this?

From what I know so far from what is written in Holy Scripture from the bible is that Lucifer got corrupted through his tradings, through his pride. Lucifer has access to all three heavens before he got corrupted. But Lucifer was an anointed Cherub, In Ezekiel it mentions as an anointed Cherub he walked about in Eden in all his glory.
 

 

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[1to3]

14 minutes ago, Starise said:

The rebellion happened in heaven not on earth.

Scripture from the holy Bible states that Lucifer had access to all three heavens, before sin /pride was found in him, than he and 1/4 of the angels got thrown out of the third heave, were God resides.

It is possible that rebellion happened between the first and second heaven= earth and the skies. As the bible states Lucifer got corrupted by his tradings. To trade you got to go back and forth?

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[1to3]

27 minutes ago, Starise said:

Simply because God's earthly creation was all good in 6 days does not necessarily have a bearing on what went down in heaven. Angelic creation preceded earthly creation.

 

The bible states ALL of CREATION everything was made in six days, the angels were created when the stars where created,on day 4, so they got to clap and see God creating more from day 4 onwards to day six.

Genesis 1:16

“And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.”

 

 

Genesis 1:19 Context

 

¹⁶And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. ¹⁷And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, ¹⁸And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. ¹⁹And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. ²⁰And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. ²¹And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. ²²And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

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[Starise]

2 minutes ago, 1to3 said:

Scripture from the holy Bible states that Lucifer had access to all three heavens, before sin /pride was found in him, than he and 1/4 of the angels got thrown out of the third heave, were God resides.

It is possible that rebellion happened between the first and second heaven= earth and the skies. As the bible states Lucifer got corrupted by his tradings. To trade you got to go back and forth?

I am open to any reasonable interpretations here. For the record I'm not saying the fall DIDN'T happen during the time frame you mention. I am the type that need to be sure for myself. For some reason which might be tied to a text I remember reading, the angelic fall seems much earlier. I have not had the chance to dig into it more. 

Lucifer being called the "Prince and Power" of the "air" seems to indicate some tie to earth's atmospheric heaven. Lucifer has command over that realm. He is also called the god of this world. A pretty successful campaign if we figure in many of the men God intended to be in His kingdom went to Lucifer's ways. If many men were saved we would not be told Narrow is the gate to salvation and WIDE is the way to destruction.

In order to temp Eve Satan must have fallen before that time because only a fallen creature would tempt one of God's creations for intentional harm. If all creation was 'good' then a bad apple crept in there that was already bad.

[Starise]

10 minutes ago, 1to3 said:

 

The bible states ALL of CREATION everything was made in six days, the angels were created when the stars where created,on day 4, so they got to clap and see God creating more from day 4 onwards to day six.

Genesis 1:16

“And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.”

 

 

Genesis 1:19 Context

 

¹⁶And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. ¹⁷And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, ¹⁸And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. ¹⁹And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. ²⁰And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. ²¹And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. ²²And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

Oh here is where I had my ideas from-

 an even more exact detail is provided in Job 38:4-7. There we read, "Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements—surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? On what were its bases sunk, or who laid its cornerstone, when the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" We find that angels (here described as "sons of God") existed before the earth was developed. Therefore, angels existed on the first day of creation in Genesis 1.