The Wicked Among Us

[Hopefully]

Do you think this is still happening today?

“We needed to talk about these problems, because some who pretended to be our brothers had come into our group secretly. They came in like spies to find out about the freedom we have in Christ Jesus. They wanted to make us slaves, but we did not agree with anything those false brothers wanted. We wanted the truth of the Good News to continue for you.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭2:4-5‬ 

“Some people have secretly entered your group. These people have already been judged guilty for what they are doing. Long ago the prophets wrote about them. They are against God. They have used the grace of our God in the wrong way—to do sinful things. They refuse to follow Jesus Christ, our only Master and Lord.”
‭‭Jude‬ ‭1:4‬ ‭
 

“They are false apostles, lying workers. They only pretend to be apostles of Christ. That does not surprise us, because even Satan changes himself to look like an angel of light. So it does not surprise us if Satan’s servants make themselves look like servants who work for what is right. But in the end those people will get the punishment they deserve.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭11:13-15‬ ‭

“In the past there were false prophets among God’s people. It is the same now. You will have some false teachers in your group. They will teach things that are wrong—ideas that will cause people to be lost. And they will teach in a way that will be hard for you to see that they are wrong. They will even refuse to follow the Master who bought their freedom. And so they will quickly destroy themselves.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭2:1‬ ‭

I think it does still happen and while we may not be able to spot them right away if we are given time we can see their deeds. Not all are simply misguided some are doing it on purpose. It is important to know the difference. 
 

 

 

 

[Whyme]

I don't know but there are wicked people online. They act like they dont have knowledge of the Spirit and of love. You know when you are around such people because they dont edify anyone, they feed themselves.

 

12 These people are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead. 13 They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.

14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”[e] 16 These people are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.

A Call to Persevere

17 But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.

20 But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.

[Hopefully]

21 minutes ago, Whyme said:

You know when you are around such people because they dont edify anyone, they feed themselves.

Amen 

[R. Hartono]

53 minutes ago, Hopefully said:

Do you think this is still happening today?

“We needed to talk about these problems, because some who pretended to be our brothers had come into our group secretly. They came in like spies to find out about the freedom we have in Christ Jesus. They wanted to make us slaves, but we did not agree with anything those false brothers wanted. We wanted the truth of the Good News to continue for you.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭2:4-5‬ 

“Some people have secretly entered your group. These people have already been judged guilty for what they are doing. Long ago the prophets wrote about them. They are against God. They have used the grace of our God in the wrong way—to do sinful things. They refuse to follow Jesus Christ, our only Master and Lord.”
‭‭Jude‬ ‭1:4‬ ‭
 

“They are false apostles, lying workers. They only pretend to be apostles of Christ. That does not surprise us, because even Satan changes himself to look like an angel of light. So it does not surprise us if Satan’s servants make themselves look like servants who work for what is right. But in the end those people will get the punishment they deserve.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭11:13-15‬ ‭

“In the past there were false prophets among God’s people. It is the same now. You will have some false teachers in your group. They will teach things that are wrong—ideas that will cause people to be lost. And they will teach in a way that will be hard for you to see that they are wrong. They will even refuse to follow the Master who bought their freedom. And so they will quickly destroy themselves.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭2:1‬ ‭

I think it does still happen and while we may not be able to spot them right away if we are given time we can see their deeds. Not all are simply misguided some are doing it on purpose. It is important to know the difference. 
 

 

 

 

Money is their goal by promising prosperity n abusing Tithe of the OT, they will buy jetplanes, yachts, ranch, land, mansions, luxurious cars, expensive motorcycles, stocks, watches, gold, branded fashions, etc, in this country father n son who became pastors fight each other for assets. They became super rich n people keep donating money to these super rich pastors.

Edited April 16, 2021 by R. Hartono

[PeterR]

@Whyme @Hopefully

All right guys. Time to put your cards on the table Who are you guessing?

[Hopefully]

2 hours ago, PeterR said:

Who are you guessing?

They are both online and offline. Here are the signs of them. Some we can’t see just by being online but some we can:

“Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:29-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I put the things I think we can see online in bold. Since this is a place we’re people debate I think it is important to say debate is not on the list by itself. We can see them debate and also have many of the other characteristics as well. 

As whyme posted also -“These people are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.”

As I posted also- “Satan’s servants make themselves look like servants who work for what is right.” 

“ They will teach things that are wrong—ideas that will cause people to be lost. And they will teach in a way that will be hard for you to see that they are wrong.”

In order for them to teach they must know Gods word and they do.

“Then the devil led Jesus to the holy city of Jerusalem and put him on a high place at the edge of the Temple area. He said to Jesus, “If you are the Son of God, jump off, because the Scriptures say, ‘God will command his angels to help you, and their hands will catch you, so that you will not hit your foot on a rock.’” Psalm 91:11-12”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭4:5-6‬ ‭

Edited April 16, 2021 by Hopefully

[Starise]

If anyone has read about the Jesuits you might find a present day correlation. Their entire mission is to infiltrate and destroy.

I have also heard about witches and warlocks visiting churches so they can sit there and attempt to cast spells against the church. They would not necessarily stick out. Probably look like common people.

In order to spread false teaching you have to teach which is obvious, so a goal of the false teacher would probably be to end up with some sort of professional looking degree from a religious institution that they could use to gain entry into the church. If they can be a pastor all the better.

So how do you know who they are? Know what the Bible says and look at what they teach. Sometimes the attack isn't necessarily counter to scripture, it has more to do with what they DON'T say or preach. If they pass over and/or evade important scriptural teaching ask why. A good teacher will teach ALL of the Bible.

 

[Hopefully]

14 minutes ago, Starise said:

Know what the Bible says

I agree this is the best weapon against false teaching and a weapon so many don’t have. I was speaking to an elder a few months ago. She is old enough to be my grandmother and she was in church before I was born. 
 

In our discussion I said homosexuality is wrong and she said were does it say that in the Bible. I was flabbergasted. 
 

So many only listen to Sunday service and don’t read on their own so they only know what is preached, and as we know many churches will face disciplinary actions for preaching against homosexuality. 

I agree with the rest of your post too.

Edited April 16, 2021 by Hopefully

[Justin Adams]

Check out the OP on "FUTURISM". See where they are 'taught' and indoctrinated. Then read about Augustine and check out those faulty doctrines from the RCC.

Many do not realize how badly they have been misled. It takes time and study and do not omit church history either.

When you find out some of this, you will have a possible lonely life. Many will say, like on here, "Well millions of people disagree with you..."

 

Edited April 16, 2021 by Justin Adams

[Starise]

1 hour ago, Hopefully said:

I agree this is the best weapon against false teaching and a weapon so many don’t have. I was speaking to an elder a few months ago. She is old enough to be my grandmother and she was in church before I was born. 
 

In our discussion I said homosexuality is wrong and she said were does it say that in the Bible. I was flabbergasted. 
 

So many only listen to Sunday service and don’t read on their own so they only know what is preached, and as we know many churches will face disciplinary actions for preaching against homosexuality. 

I agree with the rest of your post too.

This brings up two categories for me. The truly wicked  and the ignorant. If you find a church that teaches same sex sex is ok RUN as fast as you can from it.

There is a dilemma here. New Christians don't know what they don't know. Without the proper guidance they have no idea. I would like to think the Spirit of God guides them, after awhile something just feels 'off' about it and hopefully they dig deeper for themselves. Those older in the Lord really have no excuse for not knowing better.

There appear to be exceptions to that above rule because many well intentioned seminary trained pastors simply interpret the Bible based on their seminary training and NEVER seem to question any of it, have no issues standing in front of 300 people and proclaiming it as truth. Are they ignoring the Spirit?