Do you celebrate Christmas?

[the_raven_1313]

Thanks for understanding Artsylady. As for your question

"Have you ever brought a bouquet of fresh flowers into our home and enjoyed it's beauty?" Yes I have.

It is just that it sounds very much in Jeremiah that it is refering to a Christmas tree and that is what made me come to the conclusion that I did. If I am wrong and way off on this then I am always glad to hear. I would prefer somebody to point out where I am going wrong instead of letting me carry on with doing something wrong. I guess that its sort of like if I saw a friend running and ready to jump off a cliff I would tell them to stop instead of not bothering and putting them in danger or letting them make a mistake. So if I am wrong in this whole Jeremiah = Christmas tree thing, then I would prefer somebody to tell me that I am wrong and where I am wrong instead of me carrying on thinking wrongly about it.

[Guest Zayit]

Trees and flowers are two different things, entirely. And you are not wrong.

[Gerioke]

Romans used the cross to torture and kill lots of people so christians shouldn't wear crosses. Highliner uses the fish symbol so christians shouldn't use the fish symbol or we might be mistaken for battered fish worshippers.

Give me a break. We are not to be superstitious. Do people still use christmas trees for the same reason that the pagans did? I doubt it. I don't even know why the pagans used christmas trees. If you have any wood in your home you are probably guilty of taking something that God made and trying to make it look different. Some people are just too miserable to enjoy the simple things in life and it seems that misery loves company. Why don't you christmas haters get together with the UCLA and try to ban christmas all together. I'm sure they would love your support.

[RGR]

Jeremiah 10:3

For the customs of the peoples are delusion; Because it is wood cut from the forest, The work of the hands of a craftsman with a cutting tool.

10:4 "They decorate {it} with silver and with gold; They fasten it with nails and with hammers So that it will not totter.

NASB

The work of a craftsman? That wouldn't be a Christmas tree-any ole Joe could cut one down without any problem. The part of fastening it with nails and hammers couldn't refer to a Christmas tree either-you wouldn't do such. This is clearly talking about an idol.

As a matter of fact, if one goes on down just a bit, we read this:

5 "Like a scarecrow in a cucumber field are they, And they cannot speak; They must be carried, Because they cannot walk! Do not fear them, For they can do no harm, Nor can they do any good."

We don't carry around Christmas trees! We are clearly seeing the description of an idol here-a statue of some sort. As a matter of fact, if you go on down to verse 8, it says this:

8 But they are altogether stupid and foolish {In their} discipline of delusion--their idol is wood!

So, we definetely see this is an idol. This was something to be worshipped, an action we dont' take with a Christmas tree!

[Giaour]

Perhaps they chose it to keep Christians from taking part in the pagan festivities, or perhaps to entice pagans to join the Christian faith.

They merely share the same day.

Why must people feel the need to tear down the good that comes from Christmass?

Pagans have celebration days on Sundays, does this mean that we should not celebrate God on Sundays?

Hogwash.

It's just a date.

[the_raven_1313]

Thanks for replying Ronald and giving me your point about Jeremiah. The only thing is that you said that it is clearly refereing to an idol and not a Christmas tree, yet it still sounds like a Christmas tree to me. When people have idols they would usually bow to it and bring it an offering. When you come to a Christmas tree you would lean over (bow to it) and put the gifts (offerings) under it. With considering this it does sound like a Christmas tree is an idol of sorts. That is just my take on it.

Edited August 25, 2005 by the_raven_1313

[Gerioke]

Thanks for replying Ronald and giving me your point about Jeremiah. The only thing is that you said that it is clearly refereing to an idol and not a Christmas tree, yet it still sounds like a Christmas tree to me. When people have idols they would usually bow to it and bring it an offering. When you come to a Christmas tree you would lean over (bow to it) and put the gifts (offerings) under it. That is just my take on it.

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I don't know about you , but I have never given a gift to my christmas tree. Call me insensitive but it's only a stupid tree.

[Constant]

Thanks for replying Ronald and giving me your point about Jeremiah. The only thing is that you said that it is clearly refereing to an idol and not a Christmas tree, yet it still sounds like a Christmas tree to me. When people have idols they would usually bow to it and bring it an offering. When you come to a Christmas tree you would lean over (bow to it) and put the gifts (offerings) under it. That is just my take on it.

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I don't know about you , but I have never given a gift to my christmas tree. Call me insensitive but it's only a stupid tree.

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Me neither. I don't bow to it, worship it or bring it offerings. I usually get a fake tree anyway, so no chopping down one for me.

[HisWordIsSufficient]

how about plastic Christmas trees then? Here in australia we like to do it the easy way, since its summer we dont have those nice lush giant trees to chop down even if we wanted to hahaha. So would you consider Christmas in australia? Heh. No chopping here.

I think your getting a bit carried away with the whole leaning over putting gifts under the tree being idolatry. Come off it! Thats like saying leaning over and putting your baby into a crib is idolising the crib and your child is the offering!... i mean, a cribs made of wood too isnt it. hahaha. We put gifts under the tree for each other. Not the tree.

Like i said, this dramatic negative look at the season to be jolly is satan trying to take the joy out of Giving. Jesus gave. Why cant we? Jesus was joyful? Why cant we be? The reason for the season is Jesus. Everything else is a nice bonus. Theres no reason we cant celebrate Christmas with all the bells and whistles. As long as we know the true meaning.

Edited August 25, 2005 by Bluebird1

[halifaxchristian]

Just a question...if the Christam Tree isn't an idol to you...what would be the big deal to go without it??? What are we holding onto?