The sower parable

[PeterR]

7 hours ago, Whyme said:

Maybe I don't belong here, maybe I should just stay by myself. At least I won't have problems with anyone. I'm so tired, its not suppose to be this way

Mat 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

 

I keep telling myself: "My suffering is nothing compared to the suffering of Jesus Christ."

 

But please, with all due respect, let us not focus on showing mercy to one another, which seems to be a tactic to stir up disputes and close interesting topics here. This is clearly not a topic about works. Mercy will be shown if someone gets something out of this topic and understands it instead of closing it. We talk about the Word of God, and these are not topics about walks in the park, but about eternal life or eternal damnation.

 

So, back to the topic, I think it is worthwhile to give an explanation of the parable of the workers in the vineyard here, because some people mistakenly think that there are many vineyards of the Lord and that it is our duty to plant them.

And from this parable it follows that the vineyard is one and the same payment for the work regardless of its length. To think otherwise is to do your own righteousness.

 

[Whyme]

12 minutes ago, PeterR said:

Mat 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

 

I keep telling myself: "My suffering is nothing compared to the suffering of Jesus Christ."

 

But please, with all due respect, let us not focus on showing mercy to one another, which seems to be a tactic to stir up disputes and close interesting topics here. This is clearly not a topic about works. Mercy will be shown if someone gets something out of this topic and understands it instead of closing it. We talk about the Word of God, and these are not topics about walks in the park, but about eternal life or eternal damnation.

 

So, back to the topic, I think it is worthwhile to give an explanation of the parable of the workers in the vineyard here, because some people mistakenly think that there are many vineyards of the Lord and that it is our duty to plant them.

And from this parable it follows that the vineyard is one and the same payment for the work regardless of its length. To think otherwise is to do your own righteousness.

 

I'm not closing it. I don't understand how this became about works. I'll need to go back and read

[Guest SelahSong]

13 hours ago, Whyme said:

No one answeted my question about the definition of fruot. Not going to argue. I guess this topic is a waste of time. My appolgies for wasting your time. 

I believe the “fruit” here is the harvest.  Since the subject of this parable is sowing seeds, the fruit of sowing these seeds (the Word of God) will bring forth “fruit” for the harvest of souls. 

Edited April 20, 2021 by SelahSong

[Desopixi Seilynam]

When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it,
then comes the wicked one and snatches away that which was sown in his heart.
This is he that received seed by the wayside. Matthew 13:19

The seed is the word of God. Luke 8:11

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17

God has manifested His word through preaching Titus 1:3

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A good sower is therefore not going to preach confusion on purpose,
but rather would want people to be able to clearly understand the message.

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He that has my commands and keeps them, he it is that loves me. John 14:21-24
This is my commandment, that you love one another. John 15:12

Go ye into all the world and teach all nations...
teaching them to observe whatsoever I have commanded you.
Matthew 28:19-20

If anyone does not love the Lord Jesus Christ,
let that person be anathema. 1 Corinthians 16:22

He that loves not, knows not God, for God is love. 1 John 4:18

[Riverwalker]

8 hours ago, PeterR said:

Do you understand that good works HAVE NO saving merit, but are the result of being born again? They are only like the characteristics of the fruit from the grain.

Did you read to the end of what I said the last thing I said was:

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Again works (bearing fruit) are the natural result of being saved.  We are not saved by them, we are saved to them, and if we are not doing good works, bearing good fruit, then we need to check our faith because it is probably dead.

 

[PeterR]

1 hour ago, Riverwalker said:

Did you read to the end of what I said the last thing I said was:

Indeed. I did not comment, so as not to deviate too much from the topic.

I think this sower knew that his seeds would grow into the same kind that he sowed. After all, he has sown wherever he goes. Of course he realized that the seed must die first. What do you think?

[Riverwalker]

32 minutes ago, PeterR said:

Indeed. I did not comment, so as not to deviate too much from the topic.

I think this sower knew that his seeds would grow into the same kind that he sowed. After all, he has sown wherever he goes. Of course he realized that the seed must die first. What do you think?

Well not all the seed will grow, in the parable only 25% does, but if that 25% gives you a 300%, 600% or 1000% payback  then its all worth it.

As far as the seed dying....

John12: 23 But Jesus answered them, saying, “The hour has come that the Son of Man should be glorified. 24 Most assuredly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it produces much [a]grain. 25 He who loves his life will lose it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life.

I will have to think on that, for the seed, in this parable is the Word, Jesus is the Word....and we are to follow his lead. WE are not the word, but we are the seed grown from the word and replanted

[Whyme]

2 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it,
then comes the wicked one and snatches away that which was sown in his heart.
This is he that received seed by the wayside. Matthew 13:19

The seed is the word of God. Luke 8:11

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17

God has manifested His word through preaching Titus 1:3

---

A good sower is therefore not going to preach confusion on purpose,
but rather would want people to be able to clearly understand the message.

---
He that has my commands and keeps them, he it is that loves me. John 14:21-24
This is my commandment, that you love one another. John 15:12

Go ye into all the world and teach all nations...
teaching them to observe whatsoever I have commanded you.
Matthew 28:19-20

If anyone does not love the Lord Jesus Christ,
let that person be anathema. 1 Corinthians 16:22

He that loves not, knows not God, for God is love. 1 John 4:18

I once heard a prosperity preacher teach that the parable of the sower teaches us to sow in good ground, and his ministry was good ground to sow financial seeds into. This isnt what the parable means though, in my opinion. I dont put much trust in preachers but the word gets sown in my heart by the scriptures.

[Riverwalker]

22 minutes ago, Whyme said:

I once heard a prosperity preacher teach

you could have stopped there

[Whyme]

5 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

you could have stopped there

He also said God put a new BMW in his driveway. Miraculously.

Edited April 20, 2021 by Whyme