Teachers, can you do better, or worse?

[The_Patriot21]

3 hours ago, Whyme said:

Who's church is Bible based? Lol, come on. Do you agree with all churches? I don't either. We are the same. I have Christ though. Praise God, my rock.

Kind of a weak argument. There are many Bible based churches out there. First your claim is you dont want to go to church because social anxiety, now your saying its because none of them are bible based. Sounds more like excuses to me-you dont want to go to church, the holy spirit is convicting you and your trying to justify you disobedience anyway you can.

You said in a previous thread that God will hold you accountable...looks like He is trying, only your not listening.

[Ray12614]

3 hours ago, The_Patriot21 said:

Kind of a weak argument. There are many Bible based churches out there. First your claim is you dont want to go to church because social anxiety, now your saying its because none of them are bible based. Sounds more like excuses to me-you dont want to go to church, the holy spirit is convicting you and your trying to justify you disobedience anyway you can.

You said in a previous thread that God will hold you accountable...looks like He is trying, only your not listening.

Without knowing this entire thread, my added comment is that local church fellowship is also not about what we can get from church, but, what we can give. We are to encourage one another, admonish one another to good works, and we are to extend the love of Jesus to each other. As try as we may, online fellowship is limited versus 'eye-to-eye fellowship'. I cannot tell you how many times my church family has helped me with life events that are sad, and also happy life events celebrating with me over good things. How did that happen? It happened because some brothers and sisters in Christ decided to obey NT teachings and assemble together.

Then there is teaching from others that cause me to see things in scripture I have never seen before. Simple things that deepen my faith in Jesus. Even if we know the principals being taught, we as people tend to forget, and need reminding. Precious things that others have gone through that tell me I am not alone to figure everything out on my own. Outside ministries that visit our church from time to time are a real blessing to minister an timely word for a specific people attending an specific local church.

Of course . . . I could just stay home and learn on my own . . . be my own arbritater of what I need, be my own apostle, paster/teacher, prophet, evangelist . . . un-teachable . . .  give nothing to others . . . but that is not Jesus' plan for his Church . . . 

Grace and Peace . . . 

Ray . .  .

[PeterR]

Col 2:20-22  Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men? 

Don't you think that some people's teachings should be devoid of such phrases as:

you have to do this, you have to do that, you have to do otherwise

They sound like a car sat nav that wants to guide your life.

Edited April 22, 2021 by PeterR

[Whyme]

49 minutes ago, Ray12614 said:

Of course . . . I could just stay home and learn on my own . . . be my own arbritater of what I need, be my own apostle, paster/teacher, prophet, evangelist . . . un-teachable . . .  give nothing to others . . . but that is not Jesus' plan for his Church . . . 

Grace and Peace . . . 

Ray . .  .

Some people who attend church are unteachable. They think their denomination can do no wrong in their teaching.

Edited April 22, 2021 by Whyme

[Starise]

46 minutes ago, PeterR said:

Col 2:20-22  Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men? 

Don't you think that some people's teachings should be devoid of such phrases as:

you have to do this, you have to do that, you have to do otherwise

They sound like a car sat nav that wants to guide your life.

Sometimes I think we make potentially false assumptions. For instance some may associate the verse you quoted with denominations in general. Nothing could be further from the truth.

While there may be some protestant denominations that emphasize these things MOST do not. They are simply spin offs of basic protestant theology which emphasizes the blood of Christ, living our lives as God instructed us to, feeding the spirit and not the flesh and so forth. Only the non Christian belief systems emphasize these things mentioned in this verse. Joining a practicing Christian denomination is in no way tied to the verse quoted.

This leads to the next false assumption not made by you here but by others- Cults and fringe teaching clearly in contrast to any semblance of real Christianity is lumped in with  Christian denominations. These would be the belief systems that have their own "bibles". The ones who basically added to, chopped up and distorted the Bible to get their belief which are so far afield from solid biblical teaching there's no way they fit into a set of Christian denominations.

If the OT is arguing the validity of attending a physical church with physically present teachers we need to get our facts straight. Most communities in the US have at least a few decent churches in the community, so I see it as a stretch to argue from an angle that doesn't work. One would NOT seek out LDS and JW teachings if looking for a good church.

Specifically to your last several sentences @PeterR. If my pastor tells me something the bible tells me I HAVE to do, then I think we should listen. If I like fornication but the bible says it's a sin. This is the Bible being reiterated by a teacher/pastor. They are there to remind us. The Lord is using them and we should listen.

If the words "I think you should" comes from a pastor or teacher this is of course, all wrong unless you are asking THEM for advice.. They should say " The Bible says" and then quote the verses backed up by solid interpretations. The Bible is our "sat nav" to life. We can read the word and/or the Lord also uses men.

Cults are led by men that stand ahead of the bible and make their own words to follow. These men are more insistent on things that have no biblical basis.

But C'mon, anyone who looks at a Bible knows David Koresh was way off base. I think we need to be careful when looking for a church, yet also be aware that they are lead by humans and before too long a pastor or teacher is probably going to mention something you don't entirely agree with. Should you quit church over it? If it's a non essential let it go would be my suggestion. I jumped denominations recently and until I moved I always made these assumptions about the people in that denomination as spiritually shallow superficial Christians. I could not have been more wrong. In fact, many of them are spiritual giants. The lesson here is don't always look at a denomination or church sign and make these kinds of assumptions.

[Whyme]

Why is it wrong to tell someone they should do something? Doesn't the bible tell us what we should do?

[Whyme]

5 hours ago, The_Patriot21 said:

Kind of a weak argument. There are many Bible based churches out there. First your claim is you dont want to go to church because social anxiety, now your saying its because none of them are bible based. Sounds more like excuses to me-you dont want to go to church, the holy spirit is convicting you and your trying to justify you disobedience anyway you can.

You said in a previous thread that God will hold you accountable...looks like He is trying, only your not listening.

you call me a liar. I'm not. I can have two reasons you know.

[Whyme]

about Bible based churches. You say there are many good ones out there but what about their errors? Are those Bible based and good?

Edited April 22, 2021 by Whyme

[teddyv]

35 minutes ago, Whyme said:

about Bible based churches. You say there are many good ones out there but what about their errors? Are those Bible based and good?

It depends on the error. If it is a minor or non-salvific issue, then in the name of fellowship, can you look past it?

[Whyme]

16 minutes ago, teddyv said:

It depends on the error. If it is a minor or non-salvific issue, then in the name of fellowship, can you look past it?

Im not wanting to criticize others, my point is that if they have errors how are they a better teacher than myself? By me being a teacher I mean teaching myself not others. People say I need a teacher but I don't think so. They say I need someone to weed out my secret sins, but those things come from God. What did James say? If a person lacks wisdom ask God for it. The sword of the spirit discerns my heart, no man can do that.

Edited April 22, 2021 by Whyme