Battle of the mind, overcoming the flesh

[Guest clancy]

18 minutes ago, Whyme said:

Yes but we were talking about a person who doesn't follow the Spirit, whos mind is still carnal and not spiritual. How does that person think about Godly thoughts that come from the Spirit?

Oh right sorry,  they couldn’t think Godly thoughts could they, if they aren’t born again, they would still be in sin and darkness ,to be carnally minded is being alienated from God....they aren’t recognised by God until he saves them,/ regenerate..they would be blinded from the truth as I once was.

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[Whyme]

1 minute ago, clancy said:

Oh right sorry,  they couldn’t think Godly thoughts could they, if they aren’t born again, they would still be in sin and darkness ,to be carnally minded is being alienated from God....they aren’t recognised by God until he saves them,/ regenerate.

Gods love is not the same as mans fleshy love. Agreed? Gods love is selfless but mans love is not. You must actually lay down your life for others. The law is fulfilled in love but the fleshy mind cannot submit to Gods law. 

[Guest clancy]

9 minutes ago, Whyme said:

Gods love is not the same as mans fleshy love. Agreed? Gods love is selfless but mans love is not. You must actually lay down your life for others. The law is fulfilled in love but the fleshy mind cannot submit to Gods law. 

Agreed, God’s Love Is Supreme, there is no love on the planet like it...only God can Love us as we need to be loved..that’s my belief. that’s where my security comes from, the Love of God and His Saving Grace.

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[Whyme]

I like comparing scriptures that pop into my mind. Lately i see myself thinking of the sower parable and comparing it to other scriptures.

 

Matthew 13:20 The seed falling on rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. 22 The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful. 23 But the seed falling on good soil refers to someone who hears the word and understands it. This is the one who produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.”

Romans 8:5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. 7 The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.

35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36 As it is written:

“For your sake we face death all day long;
    we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”[j]

37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,[k] neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

[Whyme]

2 minutes ago, Josheb said:

When I rejoined the conversation I did not realize you were one of the two conversants. I will gladly bow out out without you answering the questions if you like. Just say so. 

I did, but apparently the answer was missed. Go back and re-read the posts and consider the fact Romans 5-8 is written by a regenerate believer to regenerate believers about regenerate believers. 

No, that is the exact opposite of what I said. The observant reader sees others have answered the question and others have affirmed my desire to hear specifically from you! I, apparently, am not the only one waiting for your answer to the question asked. Why are you starting fights where none exist? Why are you doing what you always do? Why are you always do what you do pretending it's not happening? Why are you doing what you always do pretending it isn't happening and then claiming its what the Bible teaches? 

Just answer the question asked and we'll be having a healthy, thriving, functional possibly fruit-bearing conversation wherein two brothers collaboratively discuss this idea books other than the Bible are distractions even though you could possibly read a book and not be distracted. I will gladly commend a correct answer. Further the discussion! 

Just answer the question asked. Given that you could read a book and not get distracted..... 

 

How do you read a book and know that you are not distracted by error?

 

 

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In as few words as possible, please give me a simple answer from your own words. If the bible says that the fleshy mind cannot think about what is Spiritual, why then do you say a fleshy mind can think about what is spiritual? Its simple, a fleshy mind doesn't have Gods love, it has mans love. The law is fulfilled in Gods love.

[Whyme]

26 minutes ago, Josheb said:

The Bible does not say the fleshly mind cannot think about what is spiritual. The question just asked has nothing to do with what scripture teachers or what I have posted. 

I have just answered your question. 

Now will you please answer mine?

 

How do you read a book and know that you are not distracted by error?

It says the fleshy mind thinks about fleshy things. Are you saying a fleshy mind can love like God loves? Scripture says that love fulfills the law and also that the fleshy mind cannot submit to God's law. Show me a fleshy mind that loves like God does. Without God we can do nothing, without abiding in Him we cannot bear fruit. What does your other books say?

 

 

Edited May 3, 2021 by Whyme

[Guest clancy]

Romans 8:6

The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace, the sinful mind is hostile to God.

It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.

Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God.

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[Whyme]

Love God with your mind. How is this done?

 

Mark 12:28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”

29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[e] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[f] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[g] There is no commandment greater than these.”

[Guest clancy]

5 minutes ago, Whyme said:

Love God with your mind. How is this done?

 

Mark 12:28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”

29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[e] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[f] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[g] There is no commandment greater than these.”

To fill my mind with his word, to talk to him all day everyday, include Him in everything,Praise and Worship Him, thank Jesus for dying so that we all may be saved, focus on the Lord, submerse ourselves in Him.

[Whyme]

2 minutes ago, clancy said:

To fill my mind with his word, to talk to him all day everyday, include Him in everything,Praise and Worship Him, thank Jesus for dying so that we all may be saved, focus on the Lord, submerse ourselves in Him.

Philippians 4:8 Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things. 9 What you have learned[e] and received and heard and seen in me—practice these things, and the God of peace will be with you.