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1 hour ago, enoob57 said:

I'm going with God on this point
Rom 10:17

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
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No where does God say praying in tongues will increase your faith...

This Scripture refers to Salvation.  Being Edified by Tongues as Paul discusses later is well after this point and the point of being filled with the Holy Spirit.   Since no unbeliever has either the Holy Spirit or the Gifts of the Holy Spirit, the first step is just to hear so they may believe.   Tongues, Discernment, Prophecy, etc is a progression well after the context to the meaning of your Verse.   Your Verse unfortunately has nothing to do with Speaking in Tongues other than to progress to the Gifts of the Holy Spirit [well AFTER] your Verse has been fulfilled.

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I speak in tongues during my prayer time with the Lord.  I have not spoken out in tongues during a church service in order for an interpretation to come forth.  I believe there are different kinds of

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The perfect has yet to come, so there's no scriptural basis for the cessation of the gifts of the Spirit. God does as He pleases; He answers to no man or woman and moves as He wills. It's important to

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I believe that the gifts of the Spirit are for today, but it isn't necessary (let alone critical) to have a particular gift. I often pray in tongues but have never prophesied. Paul says that not every

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Praying in tongues delivers many blessings, healings and miracles. Recently I visited a brother and sister in the Lord for a coffee and chat. Rita told me how her eyesight had gone very bad suddenly and everything was very blurry. She had Macular degeneration and would need a new prescription for spectacles. I prayed for her in tongues (a few times) about her eyesight and some other health issues. Last Sunday she gave a short testimony on how her eyes had been healed from MD and that the new glasses were no longer appropriate for her eyesight.

I do believe that these miracles occur, but I don't believe they are the results of speaking in tongues itself.  I believe that God honors faith, and if one has faith that God will move then God will move.  A person could stomp their feet and say "begone Satan," and God will rebuke Satan because of their faith not because their is power in stomping their feet.

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This Scripture refers to Salvation.

The plain reading is faith comes from the intake of God's Word! The rest of your comment I consider charismatic jargon... 

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The plain reading is faith comes from the intake of God's Word! The rest of your comment I consider charismatic jargon... 

How do you edify yourself then?

There's only [one] way given and Paul explains it through Speaking in Tongues.

Maybe you don't desire to be edified by God and why you refuse to accept the Gift of Tongues, I don't know, but I prefer that God edifies me vs not being edified.

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How do you edify yourself then?

I immerse myself in His Word and His Persons increase within my heart... as I walk through the day my prayers structured according to His Word I see Him answer: That alone assures me of His pleasure of me. The immense ways He verifies His presence when I am striving to follow His lead according to The Word also blesses me to tears at time etc... But 100% is His Word and it presses me to know it more and more for it produces faith outside of this 1st created element that passes away...

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I immerse myself in His Word and His Persons increase within my heart... as I walk through the day my prayers structured according to His Word I see Him answer: That alone assures me of His pleasure of me. The immense ways He verifies His presence when I am striving to follow His lead according to The Word also blesses me to tears at time etc... But 100% is His Word and it presses me to know it more and more for it produces faith outside of this 1st created element that passes away...

AMEN!

 

As do I, but for some reason, people have seen results for the better in the Church Body when I am asked to pray for their situation.   I truly believe the Edification from God through Speaking in Tongues, as it is described by Paul to be a Warrior Language that builds up to withstand and to attack the attempts of the Enemy, is the biggest key.   Paul is credited for 2/3 of the New Testament.  It seems to be a great tragedy to ignore his teachings especially when it concerns Spiritual Warfare.

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AMEN!

 

As do I, but for some reason, people have seen results for the better in the Church Body when I am asked to pray for their situation.   I truly believe the Edification from God through Speaking in Tongues, as it is described by Paul to be a Warrior Language that builds up to withstand and to attack the attempts of the Enemy, is the biggest key.   Paul is credited for 2/3 of the New Testament.  It seems to be a great tragedy to ignore his teachings especially when it concerns Spiritual Warfare.

When you are praying do you know what your saying?

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When you are praying do you know what your saying?

I have never tried to pray and have it become a point of where it is Speaking in Tongues.   Although Paul claimed he spoke in Tongues more than anyone else like he was bragging about it.   But in order to speak in Tongues as much as Paul claimed, it means he did it almost every time he prayed in secret or in open.   But when it happens that I do speak in Tongues, when I am done praying, I have had this immediate thought about something happening.   And it has never been about something happening in the past, it's always been now or future.   And sure enough, it has taken place.   So those thoughts afterwards I've learned is the interpretation even though I have no idea of what I am saying at the time.

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I have never tried to pray and have it become a point of where it is Speaking in Tongues.   Although Paul claimed he spoke in Tongues more than anyone else like he was bragging about it.   But in order to speak in Tongues as much as Paul claimed, it means he did it almost every time he prayed in secret or in open.   But when it happens that I do speak in Tongues, when I am done praying, I have had this immediate thought about something happening.   And it has never been about something happening in the past, it's always been now or future.   And sure enough, it has taken place.   So those thoughts afterwards I've learned is the interpretation even though I have no idea of what I am saying at the time.

See myself I could not go there for it is faith in that which the Scripture cannot discern... if I were to ask you how do you know it's God you would have to say sensual gratification for there is no communication to examine the reality with Scripture.... this makes me very suspicious of source for God has given His Word to try the spirits with....

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See myself I could not go there for it is faith in that which the Scripture cannot discern... if I were to ask you how do you know it's God you would have to say sensual gratification for there is no communication to examine the reality with Scripture.... this makes me very suspicious of source for God has given His Word to try the spirits with....

I know it's God from Discernment, which is another Gift of the Holy Spirit.  The Beauty about the Gifts of the Holy Spirit is they will always confirm one another.

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