How does a "soul" (Gen. 2-7) relate to "His image" (Gen. 1:26 -27)?

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, kingdombrat said:

Look at the Angels, they were FORMED, and have no Soul, and are considered God's Likeness.   so the [SOUL] is not the Image/Likeness, the FORM/Creation prior to life is the Image.

I really need you to tell me why you believe angels have no souls. Please, pretty please. 

[DeighAnn]

5 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Thanks DeighAnn! I am not sure ... but you referenced Gen. 1:20 above..... did you meant to?  I was referencing Gen. 1:26 referring to "Let us make man in our image"..... if we have the definition of a living soul in 2:7 it should tell us what God meant in 1:26...

Also, over the past few days there have been some discussion between Electlady and myself on 2:7..... If you find those comments to fit your own thoughts on what a living soul is then you might be able to connect those to this post....

Hope you do not mind going back over those relatively few and recent posts with her, Charlie

Yes and I will go back and read those.  Thank you

[Guest kingdombrat]

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

I really need you to tell me why you believe angels have no souls. Please, pretty please. 

Because essentially they are Spirits/Souls.

[Guest kingdombrat]

5 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Very kind of you to offer these thoughts! I certainly agree with you on the "physical" side of things where the "clay" represents the physical part of Adam but, as you know, God is so much more than a "physical" being. So, what can God bring to the table to impart WITHIN this piece of clay that would make IT as though it was in "His image"?  

For me, He must bring into Adam (clay) something from within Him... His essence or spirit. This will NOT be exactly like God because no one is like God, but this new creation will be LIKE Him ---- If we were to look at Jesus, He had a physical body (clay) and He had the Spirit of God within Him.... If you have seen me you have seen the Father --- so Adam must be made in the image of God / Jesus on earth....

This is why I content God breathed His essence / spirit into Adam and this would seem to fit both 1:26 and 2:7...

However, I am really starting to like the PB & J analogy the more we talk about this... Charlie

It's interesting to think God breathed His Spirit into us, but when we are filled with the Holy Spirit, it is God filling us with His Spirit.   One way He enters through Adam's mouth/nose and the other way through our hearts.   But God Breathed life into Adam is far different than God fills us with His Holy Spirit.

 

To answer your question, can you see a Spirit?   Can you see the Holy Spirit?   Where is the Image at when considering the Invisible?   Doesn't Colossians touch on this [Yeshua being the PHYSICAL IMAGE to the Invisible God]?   Which is why I claim the FORM [Adam] is the Image and not the Spirit.

[DeighAnn]

6 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

Because essentially they are Spirits/Souls.

Oh, I like that, Thank you.  

[DeighAnn]

21 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

It's interesting to think God breathed His Spirit into us, but when we are filled with the Holy Spirit, it is God filling us with His Spirit.   One way He enters through Adam's mouth/nose and the other way through our hearts.   But God Breathed life into Adam is far different than God fills us with His Holy Spirit.

 

To answer your question, can you see a Spirit?   Can you see the Holy Spirit?   Where is the Image at when considering the Invisible?   Doesn't Colossians touch on this [Yeshua being the PHYSICAL IMAGE to the Invisible God]?   Which is why I claim the FORM [Adam] is the Image and not the Spirit.

Interesting.  Something I give some time and ponder upon.  Thank you

[Guest kingdombrat]

3 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Oh, I like that, Thank you.  

You're Welcome 

[Charlie744]

26 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

It's interesting to think God breathed His Spirit into us, but when we are filled with the Holy Spirit, it is God filling us with His Spirit.   One way He enters through Adam's mouth/nose and the other way through our hearts.   But God Breathed life into Adam is far different than God fills us with His Holy Spirit.

 

To answer your question, can you see a Spirit?   Can you see the Holy Spirit?   Where is the Image at when considering the Invisible?   Doesn't Colossians touch on this [Yeshua being the PHYSICAL IMAGE to the Invisible God]?   Which is why I claim the FORM [Adam] is the Image and not the Spirit.

I hope not to confuse anyone even further...... 

If we were to be standing in the crowd at the time of Jesus and watched Him do miracles, tell us His parables and we sat back and listened to His sermons what would we be witnessing / seeing / hearing / feeling?

I think it would be a man made in the image of God! We would see a man who is so much more - One that is filled with the Holy Spirit!  But if were to JUST look at Him from far away and where we could not hear Him we might JUST see "a man". 

"If you see me you have seen the Father, the Father and I are One".... so, He IS in the image of God.... I believe Adam was made / created with these two parts in him - the clay and the spirit (not God the Holy Spirit, but God's spirit). When Adam sinned he had lose this "spirit" given to him by God because it could not be in the presence of sin... WE have all now been born like Adam AFTER he lost this special ingredient breathed into him by God..... He was made in the image of God ---- We are all made in the image of Adam - what has changed? This fallen Adam could not pass on this "essence / spirit" of God since he lost it by sinning. God has established the  only Plan for us to possibly restore this "essence / spirit" and that is through Pentecost. If you do not accept the gift of Pentecost we can never acquire this special gift offered this one and only time.

So, the decision is ours! If we look upon Jesus and JUST see a good man, a good preacher, a good teacher, a really smart fellow, then that is all we will get from Him and NOT see His "essence / spirit". If we come up close to Him and listen, feel, touch, trust and obey Him, we will see the "image of God". 

Two very different images on display = Jesus and man -- they physically look identical but One is filled with the Holy Spirit. We must get that back into us through the Cross / Holy Spirit.

Just my thoughts, Charlie
 

 

[Guest kingdombrat]

2 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

I hope not to confuse anyone even further...... 

If we were to be standing in the crowd at the time of Jesus and watched Him do miracles, tell us His parables and we sat back and listened to His sermons what would we be witnessing / seeing / hearing / feeling?

I think it would be a man made in the image of God! We would see a man who is so much more - One that is filled with the Holy Spirit!  But if were to JUST look at Him from far away and where we could not hear Him we might JUST see "a man". 

"If you see me you have seen the Father, the Father and I are One".... so, He IS in the image of God.... I believe Adam was made / created with these two parts in him - the clay and the spirit (not God the Holy Spirit, but God's spirit). When Adam sinned he had lose this "spirit" given to him by God because it could not be in the presence of sin... WE have all now been born like Adam AFTER he lost this special ingredient breathed into him by God..... He was made in the image of God ---- We are all made in the image of Adam - what has changed? This fallen Adam could not pass on this "essence / spirit" of God since he lost it by sinning. God has established the  only Plan for us to possibly restore this "essence / spirit" and that is through Pentecost. If you do not accept the gift of Pentecost we can never acquire this special gift offered this one and only time.

So, the decision is ours! If we look upon Jesus and JUST see a good man, a good preacher, a good teacher, a really smart fellow, then that is all we will get from Him and NOT see His "essence / spirit". If we come up close to Him and listen, feel, touch, trust and obey Him, we will see the "image of God". 

Two very different images on display = Jesus and man -- they physically look identical but One is filled with the Holy Spirit. We must get that back into us through the Cross / Holy Spirit.

Just my thoughts, Charlie

Yeshua is more than just the portion of John you added ("If you see me you have seen the Father, the Father and I are One"), in Chapter 14 He tells Philip what He [Yeshua] says is not Him saying, but it is the FATHER DWELLING (translated LIVING) inside the body of Yeshua doing the talking and miracles.

 

Adam did not have the Father living inside of him ever.

Adam is the physical Image/Likeness to God.

Yeshua is the whole package Image to God.

We have 2 examples of being in God's Image and both still do not mean remotely close to being the same definition.

[Charlie744]

3 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

Yeshua is more than just the portion of John you added ("If you see me you have seen the Father, the Father and I are One"), in Chapter 14 He tells Philip what He [Yeshua] says is not Him saying, but it is the FATHER DWELLING (translated LIVING) inside the body of Yeshua doing the talking and miracles.

 

Adam did not have the Father living inside of him ever.

Adam is the physical Image/Likeness to God.

Yeshua is the whole package Image to God.

We have 2 examples of being in God's Image and both still do not mean remotely close to being the same definition.

I agree with you.... we are "in the image" not a copy having the same attributes, holiness, etc., But we lost that part / the best part of His created being when we sinned..... now we are ONLY "in His image" physically, when in the Garden, we were "in His image" both physically and spiritually (again even in the Garden Adam was still JUST "in His image", because there is only One God.... Charlie