How does a "soul" (Gen. 2-7) relate to "His image" (Gen. 1:26 -27)?

[Charlie744]

1 minute ago, electlady said:

Sounds good ...let’s go back again...

God "breathed" into Adam's nostrils the "breath of life.”

Note: The word translated "breathed" is naphach, which means to "inflate" as in He inflated Adam's lungs. 
But the word translated "breath" is neshamah, which means 
"divine inspiration,” “ intellect,” “soul” or “spirit.”

So God not only inflated Adam's lungs with "air,” but God placed in him his "breath of life body, his spiritual body.

I hear you say, Charlie, that when Adam sinned, God removed his spirit.  I still don’t believe that part, but perhaps God removed something else that Adam had; perhaps maybe some of his intellect or divine inspiration?  Maybe God removed Adam’s memory of certain things?

—electlady

 

Thank you for responding! For me, since God can only impart anything from within Him MUST be Holy, and Adam sinned... these two things can never coexist together! It had to be something that permeated Adam not just a “feature” of Adam’s. Once this Spirit was removed from Adam he could no longer be in God’s presence- he would be destroyed by His brightness! That is why he had to leave the Garden. 

Adam never lost any of his body or his spirit (mind, intellect, all his software). He lost the only thing God imparted into him when He created him.. No other creature was created by God breathing into them- when we accept the Holy Spirit at Pentecost we are symbolically telling God we believe He died for our sins and allow the HS to come into us. This is what the whole “restoration” process is about- to be once again have His spirit back into us so we are able to be with Him again. At the resurrection God will again impart the same spirit into us that He gave to Adam! Those that rejected Him will be resurrected but they do not have the spirit of Pentecost within them and God’ Presence and brightness will destroy those who could not possibly survive His Holiness. 

Just my thoughts, Charlie 

[Charlie744]

1 minute ago, electlady said:

So then Adam lived his 900+ years spirit-less?  Just a flesh body walkin’ around, carrying on God’s plan?  Why did God form this (very) special man to begin with?  Because it would be through this man, 'eth ha adham, that the Messiah, who is God Himself, our Lord and Savior,Jesus Christ, would be born.  It was God's plan from the very beginning to come to earth Himself to provide a way for all of mankind to be saved whereby we receive that beautiful Holy Spirit. 
 

—electlady 

If I understand your question correctly, God specifically wanted to create a being "in His image" in a brand new world / universe that had never existed. This being would have His spirit breathed into him - he would have a special and unique relationship with God. The angels were not made "in His image" and I believe this is the reason why satan hated humans - they would be a "living soul" meaning God placed part of Him into this creation..... satan / angels were just a spirit to serve God in any capacity he desired.  They would never be "sons" or "brothers" or part of God's family.... they would never be more than what they were created to be.....

This jealous angel called satan could not see himself as being in second to anyone -and sought to corrupt this new creation by getting him to disobey God.... he knew God could not be in the presence of anything unholy...... and by sinning, Adam would lose this "spirit" imparted within him by God.

Adam and Eve had to leave His presence from the Garden and now God had to design a plan to restore these special creation.... by getting that "spirit" back into him ..... and this can only be accomplished by the Cross and Pentecost.
 

[Charlie744]

6 minutes ago, electlady said:

...continued thought...

How could our Father use Adam without a spirit?  

Not sure I understand your question as I need to...... God didn't use Adam but He had to remove him from His presence..... now mankind would live in this new world / universe without His spirit in him...... we have been living on this planet without God's spirit until His Plan provided  for us a way to get it back = Cross and Pentecost.

Don't know if this answered your question but we can continue on ..... obviously I do not have the answers, but I can offer what I believe this whole thing is about... Get back to the Garden with God.

Just my thoughts, Charlie

[Charlie744]

Just now, electlady said:

What spirit?  The “breath of life” spirit?  The one which was defined a few posts back? 
—electlady 

Yes, there is only one spirit that God breathed into Adam - His spirit which allowed Adam to be in His presence in the Garden.

When we accept Jesus and His resurrection and accept the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, we are telling God we want to accept that Jesus paid for our sins and we also want you to send the Holy Spirit (THE Holy Spirit) into our lives and change us to live and obey God during the rest of our lives  the way He wants us to..... 

At our resurrection, God will send His angels to look for those that have the seal of God - meaning those that have accepted Jesus and brought the Holy Spirit into our lives.... We will be gathered with God and take on the form like Jesus (not exactly like Jesus because He is God) but once again we will be "in His image". Charlie
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[Charlie744]

1 minute ago, electlady said:

God didn’t use Adam?  God didn’t use “eth ha adham?”  I’ll post this again:

Why did God form this (very) special man to begin with?  Because it would be through this man, 'eth ha adham, that the Messiah, who is God Himself, our Lord and Savior,Jesus Christ, would be born.  It was God's plan from the very beginning to come to earth Himself to provide a way for all of mankind to be saved whereby we receive that beautiful HolySpirit. 
 

—electlady 

I am hoping the last two responses have  wil have answered this.....if not, I need you to restate this another way because it is not getting through to me,,

Charlie

[Charlie744]

Just now, electlady said:

I don’t know how.   I’m at a loss...

—electlady 

If you do not mind I might suggest you do not bring it all in at one time..... let it sit with you for a little while and come back to it with your questions...... there  is alot there .... 

The key is to determine what part you might agree with and those parts you are just not accepting or seeing .... or the parts your are seeing clearly but do not like....

Take your time.... don't pressure yourself.... this whole thing is about exchanging ideas and interpretations..... not trying to prove who is right or wrong.... and to come to YOUR own understanding and interpretation.

I hate to say this but there are some who must be right...... there is nothing wrong with having a strong opinion and believing it but... that is as far as it should go....

Charlie

[Guest kingdombrat]

10 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

We will see what the scriptures say and what Abraham said or what you bring into the scriptures after you have read some books or you have heard the same from some reputable authority and bow down without seeking reasonable express references from scripture. 

In sort a lot it is said, but can it be established from what it is in the scriptures? 

You can think what you wish, but you won't prove these points made wrong ever.

Please be my guest.

I look forward to it!

[Your closest friendnt]

2 hours ago, kingdombrat said:

You can think what you wish, but you won't prove these points made wrong ever.

Please be my guest.

I look forward to it!

My post it was intended to you in the way you perceived it.

It was for those who published those things and who do not provide any kind of reaonable proof.

They do not follow the example of Jesus who knowing the deep thoughts of man's mind he left no stones unturned. 

He left us a legacy, he did something to put at rest not only the mind of Philip but also the mind of the other disciples who had accepted that he was him by faith alone. 

Jesus Christ understood that on a later day they will be disturbed about that matter, and he invited everyone to fell his body and his would as to see that he was not just in his soul. 

And they feel his would and his body as proof that he was not in his soul but he was in his body. That indeed he was raised from the dead. 

And he was in his body, as to silence rumours to contrary and the rumor that someone had stolen his body.

Jesus is still in his body and he will always be.

What is the proof that you have to offer when you claim that Jesus Christ was all those people, which I am going to examine with you all of them one by one.

How can you sow cause that you are not misled. 

You are called to sow something that is beyond a blind faith of a acceptance. 

I am not giving you my blind faith in this matter, this is my point. You are called to sow cause for your position in this matter and I will test your reasons, I will question the ground you stand on this matter?  

I believe your position in the matter at hand is not possible to be. No matter you throw the dice , it cannot be, no matter what.

Let's start, please 

***sow reasonable proof for Melhisedec. 

Edited May 5, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[DeighAnn]

 - BREATH - just some random verses where the word is used

 

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
Genesis 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

 

Deuteronomy 20:14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.
Deuteronomy 20:15 Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations.
Deuteronomy 20:16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:

Joshua 10:40 So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded.

Joshua 11:14 And all the spoil of these cities, and the cattle, the children of Israel took for a prey unto themselves; but every man they smote with the edge of the sword, until they had destroyed them, neither left they any to breathe.

 

Psalm 18:6 In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried unto my God: he heard my voice out of his temple, and my cry came before him, even into his ears.
Psalm 18:7 Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations also of the hills moved and were shaken, because he was wroth.
Psalm 18:8 There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.
Psalm 18:9 He bowed the heavens also, and came down: and darkness was under his feet.
Psalm 18:10 And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind.
Psalm 18:11 He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies.
Psalm 18:12 At the brightness that was before him his thick clouds passed, hail stones and coals of fire.
Psalm 18:13 The LORD also thundered in the heavens, and the Highest gave his voice; hail stones and coals of fire.
Psalm 18:14 Yea, he sent out his arrows, and scattered them; and he shot out lightnings, and discomfited them.
Psalm 18:15 Then the channels of waters were seen, and the foundations of the world were discovered at thy rebuke, O LORD, at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils.
Psalm 18:16 He sent from above, he took me, he drew me out of many waters.
Psalm 18:17 He delivered me from my strong enemy, and from them which hated me: for they were too strong for me.
Psalm 18:18 They prevented me in the day of my calamity: but the LORD was my stay.
Psalm 18:19 He brought me forth also into a large place; he delivered me, because he delighted in me.
Psalm 18:20 The LORD rewarded me according to my righteousness; according to the cleanness of my hands hath he recompensed me.
Psalm 18:21 For I have kept the ways of the LORD, and have not wickedly departed from my God.
Psalm 18:22 For all his judgments were before me, and I did not put away his statutes from me.
Psalm 18:23 I was also upright before him, and I kept myself from mine iniquity.
Psalm 18:24 Therefore hath the LORD recompensed me according to my righteousness, according to the cleanness of my hands in his eyesight.
 

Psalm 150:1 Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power.
Psalm 150:2 Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness.
Psalm 150:3 Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.
Psalm 150:4 Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
Psalm 150:5 Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals.
Psalm 150:6 Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.
 

Proverbs 20:22 Say not thou, I will recompense evil; but wait on the LORD, and he shall save thee.
Proverbs 20:23 Divers weights are an abomination unto the LORD; and a false balance is not good.
Proverbs 20:24 Man's goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?
Proverbs 20:25 It is a snare to the man who devoureth that which is holy, and after vows to make enquiry.
Proverbs 20:26 A wise king scattereth the wicked, and bringeth the wheel over them.
Proverbs 20:27 The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.
Proverbs 20:28 Mercy and truth preserve the king: and his throne is upholden by mercy.
Proverbs 20:29 The glory of young men is their strength: and the beauty of old men is the grey head.
Proverbs 20:30 The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil: so do stripes the inward parts of the belly.
 

Daniel 5:22 And thou his son, O Belshazzar, hast not humbled thine heart, though thou knewest all this;
Daniel 5:23 But hast lifted up thyself against the LORD of heaven; and they have brought the vessels of his house before thee, and thou, and thy lords, thy wives, and thy concubines, have drunk wine in them; and thou hast praised the gods of silver, and gold, of brass, iron, wood, and stone, which see not, nor hear, nor know and the God in whose hand thy breath is, and whose are all thy ways, hast thou not glorified


Seems it is the act of 'breathing' and 

'The spirit of Adam' is what God breathed into Adam.  We are His creation, not Him recreating Himself.  The only one who is is Jesus.  IMHO.
 

[DeighAnn]

6 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

The angels were not made "in His image" and I believe this is the reason why satan hated humans - they would be a "living soul" meaning God placed part of Him into this creation..... satan / angels were just a spirit to serve God in any capacity he desired.

Please tell me or direct me to why you conclude that angels are not made in His image.    


I don't think that Satan hates humans I think Satan hates God and the way to hurt Him is to take what should be worshipping Him and get them to worship him instead.  

Satan was created a cherub.
 

Job 38:3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

 DO YOU understand what is so very TELLING about this?  There is no 'DUST OF THE EARTH YET' in which 'man' to be formed YET all the sons of God are there.

What was breathed into that dirt soon to be ADAM?  ADAM.  

 

1Samuel 29:8 And David said unto Achish, But what have I done? and what hast thou found in thy servant so long as I have been with thee unto this day, that I may not go fight against the enemies of my lord the king?

1Samuel 29:9 And Achish answered and said to David, I know that thou art good in my sight, as an angel of God: notwithstanding the princes of the Philistines have said, He shall not go up with us to the battle.



They discern good and bad
2 Samuel 14:17 Then thine handmaid said, The word of my lord the king shall now be comfortable: for as an angel of God, so is my lord the king to discern good and bad: therefore the LORD thy God will be with thee.


They are compared to the wise
2Samuel 14:20 To fetch about this form of speech hath thy servant Joab done this thing: and my lord is wise, according to the wisdom of an angel of God, to know all things that are in the earth.

What does this say to you?
Zechariah 12:8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.



What about the angel of God?  
Genesis 21:17 And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he is.


 

Malachi 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the LORD, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

Malachi 3:2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Malachi 3:3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.

Malachi 3:4 Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in former years.

Malachi 3:5 And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.

Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Malachi 3:7 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?

Malachi 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

Malachi 3:9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

 

Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Where do you suppose 'all the host' of the earth is being held?

We know there are good angels and fallen angels. 
What makes an angel 'fallen' anyhow.

 

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Jude 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

STRANGE  

2087 heteros - other

Help Word
another (of a different kind) another but distinct in kind - stands in contrast, another of a different quality - qualitatively different from its counterpart
sometimes refers to another of a different class group or type

And in Jude 1:7  another - not of the same nature, form, class, kind  DIFFERENT


Remember Flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God

And what did Jesus say?  Flesh and BONE.



 

Matthew 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,

Matthew 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and His face did shine as the sun, and His raiment was white as the light.

Matthew 17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with Him.

Matthew 17:4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if Thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

Matthew 17:5 While He yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye Him.

Matthew 17:6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.

Matthew 17:7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.

Matthew 17:8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.

 

Luke 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Luke 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

Luke 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.

Luke 16:19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

Luke 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

Luke 16:21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

Luke 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

Luke 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Luke 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

Luke 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

Luke 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
 

Luke 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.


1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.


There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

 

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1 Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.