How does a "soul" (Gen. 2-7) relate to "His image" (Gen. 1:26 -27)?

[Guest kingdombrat]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

My post it was intended to you in the way you perceived it.

It was for those who published those things and who do not provide any kind of reaonable proof.

They do not follow the example of Jesus who knowing the deep thoughts of man's mind he left no stones unturned. 

He left us a legacy, he did something to put at rest not only the mind of Philip but also the mind of the other disciples who had accepted that he was him by faith alone. 

Jesus Christ understood that on a later day they will be disturbed about that matter, and he invited everyone to fell his body and his would as to see that he was not just in his soul. 

And they feel his would and his body as proof that he was not in his soul but he was in his body. That indeed he was raised from the dead. 

And he was in his body, as to silence rumours to contrary and the rumor that someone had stolen his body.

Jesus is still in his body and he will always be.

What is the proof that you have to offer when you claim that Jesus Christ was all those people, which I am going to examine with you all of them one by one.

How can you sow cause that you are not misled. 

You are called to sow something that is beyond a blind faith of a acceptance. 

I am not giving you my blind faith in this matter, this is my point. You are called to sow cause for your position in this matter and I will test your reasons, I will question the ground you stand on this matter?  

I believe your position in the matter at hand is not possible to be. No matter you throw the dice , it cannot be, no matter what.

Let's start, please 

***sow reasonable proof for Melhisedec. 

Which portion of what I added can't be proven by Scripture?

In my view, Scripture [God's Holy Word] outranks both yours/mine opinions.

[Charlie744]

27 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Please tell me or direct me to why you conclude that angels are not made in His image.    

First DeighAnn, I want to thank you very much for giving me big drink of water through your fire hose!  I will take a small sip however and then turn the hose away.....

I think I might have mentioned this to Elect last evening but... there might be a few reasons why I think this way:

1) God refers to man at times as sons, brothers, etc., angels are not identified as such,

2) God tells us we are unique creation made "in His image"... no where will you find angels are made "in His image",

3) God gave us the ability to create.... no angels have that ability ALTHOUGH many believe they were able to come to earth and "mix" with humans (nephilim - which I completely think is wrong),

4) Angels like humans have choice but there is no Plan of Salvation established for angels... obviously God has His Plan for man's restoration - Cross / Pentecost,

5) Satan knows his time is short - supporting he can never be "restored" as man can through God's HS. At the time of the end, He is cooked... no Plan B and he knows it,

6) Man has been given dominion over.... no angels have dominion over anything,

7) Angels were created a little lower... Hebrews 2:7,

8) I have eaten angel food cake .... have you ever eaten man food cake? There is scripture for this one..... well, maybe not...

 

27 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

 

I don't think that Satan hates humans I think Satan hates God and the way to hurt Him is to take what should be worshipping Him and get them to worship him instead.  

 

I think satan hates God for making humans and he wants to be king over God and the way to rid humans (in his mind) is to get them to sin against God....

27 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Satan was created a cherub.
 

Job 38:3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

 DO YOU understand what is so very TELLING about this?  There is no 'DUST OF THE EARTH YET' in which 'man' to be formed YET all the sons of God are there.

What was breathed into that dirt soon to be ADAM?  ADAM.  

 

Alright DeighAnn, you got me here! What are you saying here that "God breathed Adam into dirt and it became Adam?  I don't know if you just heard that, but it was Adam yelling at me telling me to tell you .... well, he was cursing at you and I do not want to repeat it! By the way, I sent him  home for that... no dinner for him tonight - let him eat dirt!

Seriously, I have no clue what you mean by that ... and I am hoping you do not either...  (just kidding of course). As I mentioned to Elect ... I believe God breathed a part of Him into this dirt... other than air of course... and since there is ONLY Holiness and Good in God, there is nothing more for Him to give.... He imparted His spirit or Holiness or essence into this dirt - In my response to Elect last evening I likened Adam's appearance to that of Moses on Mt. Sinai.... after he spent time with God and walked down the mountain his face shown like the sun... and that was just from being in His presence. God breathed His goodness or holiness into Adam and this permeated his entire being ... thereby looking as thought he was being surrounded by the brightest light..... that is my take anyway...

 

27 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

 

1Samuel 29:8 And David said unto Achish, But what have I done? and what hast thou found in thy servant so long as I have been with thee unto this day, that I may not go fight against the enemies of my lord the king?

1Samuel 29:9 And Achish answered and said to David, I know that thou art good in my sight, as an angel of God: notwithstanding the princes of the Philistines have said, He shall not go up with us to the battle.



They discern good and bad
2 Samuel 14:17 Then thine handmaid said, The word of my lord the king shall now be comfortable: for as an angel of God, so is my lord the king to discern good and bad: therefore the LORD thy God will be with thee.


They are compared to the wise
2Samuel 14:20 To fetch about this form of speech hath thy servant Joab done this thing: and my lord is wise, according to the wisdom of an angel of God, to know all things that are in the earth.

What does this say to you?
Zechariah 12:8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.



What about the angel of God?  
Genesis 21:17 And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he is.


 

Malachi 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the LORD, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

Malachi 3:2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Malachi 3:3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.

Malachi 3:4 Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in former years.

Malachi 3:5 And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.

Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Malachi 3:7 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?

Malachi 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

Malachi 3:9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

 

Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Where do you suppose 'all the host' of the earth is being held?

We know there are good angels and fallen angels. 
What makes an angel 'fallen' anyhow.

 

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Jude 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

STRANGE  

2087 heteros - other

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another (of a different kind) another but distinct in kind - stands in contrast, another of a different quality - qualitatively different from its counterpart
sometimes refers to another of a different class group or type

And in Jude 1:7  another - not of the same nature, form, class, kind  DIFFERENT


Remember Flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God

And what did Jesus say?  Flesh and BONE.



 

Matthew 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,

Matthew 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and His face did shine as the sun, and His raiment was white as the light.

Matthew 17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with Him.

Matthew 17:4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if Thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

Matthew 17:5 While He yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye Him.

Matthew 17:6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.

Matthew 17:7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.

Matthew 17:8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.

 

Luke 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Luke 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

Luke 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.

Luke 16:19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

Luke 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

Luke 16:21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

Luke 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

Luke 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Luke 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

Luke 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

Luke 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
 

Luke 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.


1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.


There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

 

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1 Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

 

Ok, I am going to put the fire hose down for a while and leave all 1,000 verses alone for now.... 

I enjoy your thoughts and responses.... Charlie

[DeighAnn]

14 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

First DeighAnn, I want to thank you very much for giving me big drink of water through your fire hose!  I will take a small sip however and then turn the hose away.....

I think I might have mentioned this to Elect last evening but... there might be a few reasons why I think this way:

1) God refers to man at times as sons, brothers, etc., angels are not identified as such,

2) God tells us we are unique creation made "in His image"... no where will you find angels are made "in His image",

3) God gave us the ability to create.... no angels have that ability ALTHOUGH many believe they were able to come to earth and "mix" with humans (nephilim - which I completely think is wrong),

4) Angels like humans have choice but there is no Plan of Salvation established for angels... obviously God has His Plan for man's restoration - Cross / Pentecost,

5) Satan knows his time is short - supporting he can never be "restored" as man can through God's HS. At the time of the end, He is cooked... no Plan B and he knows it,

6) Man has been given dominion over.... no angels have dominion over anything,

7) Angels were created a little lower... Hebrews 2:7,

8) I have eaten angel food cake .... have you ever eaten man food cake? There is scripture for this one..... well, maybe not...

 

I think satan hates God for making humans and he wants to be king over God and the way to rid humans (in his mind) is to get them to sin against God....

Alright DeighAnn, you got me here! What are you saying here that "God breathed Adam into dirt and it became Adam?  I don't know if you just heard that, but it was Adam yelling at me telling me to tell you .... well, he was cursing at you and I do not want to repeat it! By the way, I sent him  home for that... no dinner for him tonight - let him eat dirt!

Seriously, I have no clue what you mean by that ... and I am hoping you do not either...  (just kidding of course). As I mentioned to Elect ... I believe God breathed a part of Him into this dirt... other than air of course... and since there is ONLY Holiness and Good in God, there is nothing more for Him to give.... He imparted His spirit or Holiness or essence into this dirt - In my response to Elect last evening I likened Adam's appearance to that of Moses on Mt. Sinai.... after he spent time with God and walked down the mountain his face shown like the sun... and that was just from being in His presence. God breathed His goodness or holiness into Adam and this permeated his entire being ... thereby looking as thought he was being surrounded by the brightest light..... that is my take anyway...

 

Ok, I am going to put the fire hose down for a while and leave all 1,000 verses alone for now.... 

I enjoy your thoughts and responses.... Charlie

Cool.  Let me simplify, when were the angels created?  I just deleted the next four in hopes to make this a garden hose, just a tricklin out.  

But yes, I do know where Adam came from.  And he was yelling at you, not me.  Ha ha, how fun.   DA  

[Charlie744]

37 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Cool.  Let me simplify, when were the angels created?  I just deleted the next four in hopes to make this a garden hose, just a tricklin out.  

But yes, I do know where Adam came from.  And he was yelling at you, not me.  Ha ha, how fun.   DA  

I do not know when the angels were created... I missed class that day... well, whatever day they were created....but I am pretty sure it was not on the Sabbath..... 

Now, let's say it was a Tuesday, can you please share with me your thoughts for asking this?   Thanks.... and by the way, Adam was yelling at YOU... I told you I was not going to say the curse words he said but it did start with DA.......

Just saying, Charlie

[Your closest friendnt]

Genesis 2:7 and 19. 

⁷ And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

 

¹⁹ And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. 

*****In Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field. 

***** In ch2 v7 the man was formed and in v19 the beast of the field were formed, both out of the ground.

In v19 the description formed equals the beasts were alive.

And in v7 we the same description about Adam which also must equal that Adam was alive. 

and that's when the Lord God breath into his nostrils "the breath of Life". 

that's where God made the distinction between Man and the beasts of the field, when he breath into his nostrils the breath of Life and Man became a living soul. 

The scriptures above tell us that Adam was alive when God breath in him "the breath of Life".

God made Adam like him "a living soul". 

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

I do not know when the angels were created... I missed class that day... well, whatever day they were created....but I am pretty sure it was not on the Sabbath..... 

Now, let's say it was a Tuesday, can you please share with me your thoughts for asking this?   Thanks.... and by the way, Adam was yelling at YOU... I told you I was not going to say the curse words he said but it did start with DA.......

Just saying, Charlie

Sorry, had to take Mom to eye doctors.  The blind can be so demanding when it comes to driving.  But  what  ever.  And then she wanted FOOD too.  Does it never stop?? (God I hope not for a long long time, I love my mother, can't wait until next year when she finally turns 90 so I can quit hearing about how she is almost 90.  Gotta make you wonder did she receive me when she was young or really old, don't it?   I could be a miracle baby or not)

Any way,  to start out, who or what is an angel?  A messenger of God.  Can be a man in a flesh, can be a man in a spiritual body from heaven.  The Lord was a man and now we have the angel of the Lord.  QUITE the example.  

I have posted a lot of verses (apparently a fire hose full, no wonder I am not a teacher)  but if you really stop and read about them you will see how many times angels are referred to as men.  What we have to stop and ask ourselves is WHY?  How is it that we and angels are referred to in the same vein, so to speak and so often and my question is WHY HASN'T HARDLY ANYONE NOTICED IT.  

GODS WORD will call an angel a man or angels men and GODS WORD calls men angels.  THAT isn't ME calling them by these names, It is GOD.  Why would God be so casual with the interchanging words for  angels and men?  How could 'men' eat angels food for 40 years and stay alive?  Why does an angel say he is BRETHREN of the prophets?  

These are not casual questions.  These are questions that, at least for me, required some intense time down on my knees praying and praying until I 'SHUT UP and just  listened' and ...well you get the picture. 

WHY is it important?  GODs Plan.  Gods Plan of salvation can not be understood without this understanding.  ALOT of Gods Word is confusing without it.  It keeps us in a continual search to find the answers in 'what is written' aka THE WORDS in the book, as opposed to what is written in our hearts and minds via the words written in the book via the SPIRIT. 

GOD is not finite.  Neither is His word.   Neither are we.  God has 'sons' before God made the earth. 

So you are going to have to ask yourself

Did He kill all those sons who were shouting for JOY while keeping Satan around or or not
and if not, what happened to them?  

I'll stop there but I got a lot more.  

(things like Why must we be born of water and born from above?  Does it have anything to do with the angels who LEFT their habitation weren't 'born' of water at all.  Wonder why leaving their habitation and  coming to earth THAT WAY put them in chains....)
 

[DeighAnn]

4 hours ago, electlady said:

@Charlie744 and @DeighAnn   Lol!!!  This oughta be intriguing... hold on, gotta pop some popcorn, my diet coke and settle in for some good stuff. 

 

 

DON'T DRINK DIET ANYTHING, EVER unless you are looking to put on weight, then I highly recommend it.  

[Charlie744]

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Genesis 2:7 and 19. 

⁷ And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

 

¹⁹ And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. 

*****In Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field. 

***** In ch2 v7 the man was formed and in v19 the beast of the field were formed, both out of the ground.

In v19 the description formed equals the beasts were alive.

And in v7 we the same description about Adam which also must equal that Adam was alive. 

and that's when the Lord God breath into his nostrils "the breath of Life". 

that's where God made the distinction between Man and the beasts of the field, when he breath into his nostrils the breath of Life and Man became a living soul. 

The scriptures above tell us that Adam was alive when God breath in him "the breath of Life".

God made Adam like him "a living soul". 

Tim, I am seeing this in a very different way..... I think God is making the distinction here that He breathed into the lifeless dirt to create a living soul/being. But God did not breath anything into the animals - we know they were created with dirt and God must have just made them come alive.....and brought them to Adam.

These two scenes along with 1:26-27 (made in His image) gives me the inf0rmation I need .... 

But once again, everyone reads and interprets verses quite differently.

Charlie

[BeyondET]

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Genesis 2:7 and 19. 

⁷ And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

 

¹⁹ And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. 

*****In Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field. 

***** In ch2 v7 the man was formed and in v19 the beast of the field were formed, both out of the ground.

In v19 the description formed equals the beasts were alive.

And in v7 we the same description about Adam which also must equal that Adam was alive. 

and that's when the Lord God breath into his nostrils "the breath of Life". 

that's where God made the distinction between Man and the beasts of the field, when he breath into his nostrils the breath of Life and Man became a living soul. 

The scriptures above tell us that Adam was alive when God breath in him "the breath of Life".

God made Adam like him "a living soul". 

yup first men male/female in the likeness of God and other or others and they all had a say or something "let us"

 

gen 1:26 Nephilim

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, to rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it.”

gen 5:3 Mankind from Seth

3When Adam was 130 years old, he had a son in his own likeness, after his own image; and he named him Seth.

sons of God descendants of cain the tent people and musicians

Edited May 6, 2021 by BeyondET

[Your closest friendnt]

14 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Tim, I am seeing this in a very different way..... I think God is making the distinction here that He breathed into the lifeless dirt to create a living soul/being. But God did not breath anything into the animals - we know they were created with dirt and God must have just made them come alive.....and brought them to Adam.

These two scenes along with 1:26-27 (made in His image) gives me the inf0rmation I need .... 

But once again, everyone reads and interprets verses quite differently.

Charlie

It's very simple, he must have nostrils before he breath into them.

And as we can see from making the beast alive, he could also make Man alive in the same way and then breath into his nostrils.