80% of Christians Do Not Hold to a PreTrib Rapture

[Diaste]

6 hours ago, The Light said:

The great tribulation occurs during the 70th week of Daniel.

Yes.

6 hours ago, The Light said:

After the 70th week is over, the gathering occurs and the wrath of God begins.

No.

GT and wrath occur during the 70th week. Jesus said the days of GT are cut short or no flesh would be saved. The days of GT are cut short of the end of the week, the week isn't shortened, by the coming of Jesus which is when the one and only gathering occurs and then wrath falls.

[Diaste]

On 5/26/2021 at 7:34 PM, Montana Marv said:

Really now.  Matthew 24 gives two.  Immediately after the distress of those days, at that time the sign of the son of Man will appear.

Next; As is the days of Noah; Notice there was no distress of any kind just before the flood.  People were eating, drinking, marrying and giving in marriage. Kind of like the present time frame of the world. This is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

Two comings, One for His Bride.  The next to set His feet on the Mt of Olives.  But only one return.

Then, when do the Mill saints that were born during the Mill go.

The sign of the Son of Man appearing is over Armageddon to destroy the remaining who worshiped the Beast or took his mark.  And this before the 2nd Coming.

In Christ

Montana Marv

This is just reaching for miles and miles.

[Montana Marv]

3 hours ago, Diaste said:

Yes.

No.

GT and wrath occur during the 70th week. Jesus said the days of GT are cut short or no flesh would be saved. The days of GT are cut short of the end of the week, the week isn't shortened, by the coming of Jesus which is when the one and only gathering occurs and then wrath falls.

No, it says if those days had not been cut short.  It does not say the GT will be shortened.  And the days are cut short by 1/3,   4th Trumpet - Rev 8:12 - and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark.  A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night.  This was in preparation for the 4th Bowl. where intense heat scorched people with fire.  How much more intense would this heat be with  a full day of light; BBQ

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Montana Marv]

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

This is just reaching for miles and miles.

Yes, it does put a damper on some of what you believe.  This is why we are in differing camps of belief.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Diaste]

18 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Yes, it does put a damper on some of what you believe.  This is why we are in differing camps of belief.

In Christ

Montana Marv

It doesn't in fact. It's more a confirmation of scripture.

[Diaste]

18 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

No, it says if those days had not been cut short.  It does not say the GT will be shortened.  And the days are cut short by 1/3,   4th Trumpet - Rev 8:12 - and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark.  A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night.  This was in preparation for the 4th Bowl. where intense heat scorched people with fire.  How much more intense would this heat be with  a full day of light; BBQ

In Christ

Montana Marv

Gotta read it all...

"But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short." Matt 24:22

The days of GT are indeed shortened and wrath falls within the 70th week.

[Montana Marv]

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

Gotta read it all...

"But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short." Matt 24:22

The days of GT are indeed shortened and wrath falls within the 70th week.

With all your vast knowledge; Which part then of the GT is cut short??  Which are those days which are cut short.  The full 70th Week plays out. Was anything stricken out??  Were any of the S,T,B judgments reduced.  Give me some insight.  Are the elect of the House Israel included in your elect.  Where is your answer??  I have given one.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

[The Light]

On 5/28/2021 at 5:25 AM, Diaste said:

It is great. That removes any doubt the church and faithful Israel are separate. They are one and the same. 

The Cowboys and Steelers both won a Super bowl. It just didn't happen at the same time. Even as the Church will be raptured pretrib and the 12 tribes seed of the woman will be raptured prewrath. 

On 5/28/2021 at 5:25 AM, Diaste said:

No timing for a pretrib rapture appears anywhere. 

It's everywhere, from the Church being in heaven in Rev 4 and 5 before the seals are opened, to the 1st trump harvest of Pentecost and the last trump harvest of the Feast of Trumpets, to the early summer wheat and barley harvest and the fall fruit harvest, to the fig tree having two harvests and the Jews being told that their fathers would not be the first fruits of the 1st harvest, to Noah being on the ark 7 days before the flood, to the 144,000 first fruits guaranteeing a harvest of the 12 tribes which is seen after the tribulation, to the GOODMAN being told that He will come in an hour that you think not, to the Jews being told to look up their redemption draws nigh, and that day not taking them unaware, to the song of Moses being sung by those raptured immediately after the tribulation, to the secret rapture in the Song of Solomon. So little to some and so much to others.

On 5/28/2021 at 5:25 AM, Diaste said:

So it's...

"In other words,  70th week begins, great tribulation, pre wrath rapture of the elect  across the earth. The nation of Israel of religious Jews have their eyes opened and call on the Lord, goes through the wrath of God in a protected place. Just like the word says."

This I can agree with.

 

Left wanting for me. 

[The Light]

On 5/28/2021 at 5:31 AM, Diaste said:

 

No.

GT and wrath occur during the 70th week. Jesus said the days of GT are cut short or no flesh would be saved. The days of GT are cut short of the end of the week, the week isn't shortened, by the coming of Jesus which is when the one and only gathering occurs and then wrath falls.

Can you explain what this verse means?

² And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

[Diaste]

9 hours ago, The Light said:

Can you explain what this verse means?

² And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Well, you know. I don't have to explain. I will say this is a reference to the days of GT, which begin after the A of D, and the duration of those days, specifically the days of GT, are stopped short, or shortened. 

Shortened from what? That's a good question and this is the answer we need to find. If they are shortened there must be an established end set in stone, at least a planned end or we have no reference point for short or long. 

That reference point in this context is the last week. Unless there is some other well recognized time frame for the prophecies of Daniel, Matt, Mark, Revelation.