Is the Charismatic Movement Dangerous and Heretical?

[Paul James]

1 hour ago, kingdombrat said:

Actually, it would take months for some (not all) vegetation to be destroyed under water in [normal] circumstances.   And this is how the belief in Genesis 1:2 came to be an idealism concerning the Luciferian Flood.   Because in that Theory, the flood lasted thousands of years, not 150 days or 6 months time, which is why they claim the Earth appeared to be null and void (null and void of all signs of life).

Off topic?

[TheBlade]

Hi Paul you said "What caused me to see through the theatrical manifestations such as jerking, shaking, babbling in public tongues, and falling down, was when I decided to observe the pastor and church elders to see if they joined in. "

I was about to post what I had written till I read this.  This is how I look at it. You/we have the word of God before our eyes. If we will not believe Him then there is nothing I can say. Satan can not create he can only mimic which means there is something real. In my own life where all they did was exactly what Jesus did and said WE all can do. I had a huge wart on my palm and just before he stoped praying said this "And lord even the ones between his toes" <---WOW my own mom didn't know about those. I had never in my life told anyone. About a week later all were gone never came beck. GIFTS so in my 20's about 15 miles out side of Spokane Wa a preacher came for the week. It was Sunday and I was in the back with a friend. Up front this woman was getting prayed for. I saw her crying screaming jumping so I asked my friend who is she? He said see all these people here (about 400) about 1/2 came with her because she was blind. HAHA praise GOD! Go for it.. anyone try to tell that woman the GIFTS are dead. She  WAS blind and just like Peter and John "you look at us as if we did this by our own power. Its FAITH IN THAT NAME". I have so many stories yet.. if people will not believe HIM and HIs word.. they will never believe me.

In 2012 John M was talking about Charismatic saying " in virtually every area if Church life which is unbiblical you can attribute to the Charismatic movement". Not sure why its ok for say some Baptist when they worship and raise their hands, jump shout dance. Here we are 2021 and we still don't know how Israel BEFORE CHRIST would worship God? Yeah.. dance, sing run around. They didn't just stand there holding some book or reading some song on the wall the go home the same way they came in. Sorry.. 

Last one again not what I seen but what happen to me. So in another Church I was going to a preacher Friday night was speaking. I came there because I over heard my mom on the phone at work talk about some man and people falling down. So I asked if I could go. LOL.. the past.. back then me and a friend would take things that were not ours as in Motorcycles you name it. So I had just got out of.. anyway that Friday night the preacher said is there anyone here that wants to experience something from God? I thought.. sure if Hes real. I went up.. allot of people there. So I was up there now and no one was around me they were like 10+ feet away. The preacher had his back to me and he turned took one finger touched my forehead and said "IN JESUS NAME". Next thing I know is.. why am I on my back.. no clue who long I had been there. I started to get up.. oh HOLY JESUS! Something hit my feet shot into my chest... I can't explain what it felt like.. never in my life SO WONDERFUL. ALL I WANTED as more of HIM.. just HIM! 

I can keep going.. going to go to School.. coming from Spokane Wa to Oklahoma. I LOVE music and a band member told me about a school in OK. So I was going to go. I got this thought about this old friend and to go say good by. So go over there and she just happen to know 2 others going to Oklahoma. So all 3 of us going to Oklahoma. See I was going only by faith just blind faith. NO job didn't know anyone no place to stay. So the driver said she had a friend that went to Oral Roberts UNIV and maybe I could stay there. See we had JUST come in to Oklahoma when we were talking about this. At the same exact time this car behind us the man keeps pointing up. Since she didn't know where the School was we pulled into this INFO Stand and the car behind us pulls up stops gets out comes over says "did you not see me pointing up?" We answered yes. He said "the lord told me you do not know how to get to Oral Roberts UNIV and I am to show you the way". This happen to me and WOW still blown alway.. oh Father praise You thank you.. 

In the above story I did stay with her friend how knew others I could stay with. So my first day I went walking got a full time job at night about a block from the School. So shall I keep going? There SO much more. 

See for me I would have to LIE to say gifts are dead.. God does not ALWAYS answer. See I am 60 and since I was 12 or so no internet just had this awesome Christian radio station some guy deep voice played wonderful worship music. This coming from a guy that LOVED ACID ROCK! And I would always read that book. See I was told if HE said it HE will do. I was told in that bible study if they ever said anything that was not written to never believe them. Even when asking for prayer they would go right to the bible read the verse then pray. Not hoping but KNEW GOD would keep His word. I have never in my life seen anyone with such POWER OF GOD then this grandmother that prayed 4+ hours a day. You could never ever tell her thank you.. NO she made sure you NEVER thanked her just the lord. 

I just read it and believe HIM. See its HIS word. In all the wonders He has shown and did in my life.. the only reason I can think of as to WHY it always still happens is.. I just blindly believe HIM! Prayer no matter what.. its HIS power HIS name.. never me. I have faith in that name.. and for me and TONS of others signs follow them that believe. I do NEVER seek signs nor look for them. His job not mine. He keeps His word.. HE is faithful I am not. Seek HIM not what I say but HIM.. and no matter what you SEE HEAR FEEL you stand on HIS WORD! HE will never fail. I tried that with Him. One day I said.. I was mad.. something I prayed wanted didn't happen when I thought wanted it to. So I was asking Him WHY he failed me. 

Didn't ever expect Him to answer oh but He did. Its so strange.. well He was not made yet very strongly? I don't know the right word. "WHEN have I ever failed you?" Then your shown sorry crying.. all the times YOU thought He was not there and He shows you.. EVERY TIME He was.  Don't believe me... I don't know any one here so this is why I share. Oh I have more personal stories. I have no reason to lie and I never ever ever try to add to or take away form what He has done said.

Nothing wrong with Charismatic or Baptist or word of Faith. Got it over this. Like look up front.. see Christ? Now look around.. you see so so many tents. Just ONE Christ ONE body. HE does not see Baptist all the way to Word of Faith. WE do. I look for this with all "Yeshua came in the flesh, died on the cross for the worlds sin. He was buried rose the 3rd day and is seated at the right hand of the Father. THATS my family. I will stick up for fight for Baptist to Word of Faith. LOL as if what I believe and my doctrine are right? NO! Its JESUS first.. when I see love peace .. the fruits of the spirit.. things like that.. I know its ALWAYS HIm. Satan can not create he NEVER EVER EVER points to Christ. He can not ever give you peace. Something GOD gave us. God never uses fear worry doubt. how you things are not of Him. Ever go some where and you get this sick feeling? GET OUT!  Sorry .. hard for me to just type a few lines. You seek Him.. you pray study.. you find this for your self. If I offended forgive me

[appy]

13 hours ago, Paul James said:

Off topic?

Hmmm.... every once in a while a post will make it to the wrong thread, and most often it isn't intentional but an oops moment. 

 

14 hours ago, kingdombrat said:

And let's not forget, it had not rained for how many years and there was still plant life in existence.   The ark was made of tree wood so with no rain there was enough wood to build a gigantic boat.   6 months under water would have been a vacation after hundreds of years without rain.

 

So nothing here was under normal conditions.

@kingdombrat

It appears this post made to the wrong thread.  Would you like it moved?  If so, where to?

 

 

[Guest kingdombrat]

2 hours ago, appy said:

Hmmm.... every once in a while a post will make it to the wrong thread, and most often it isn't intentional but an oops moment. 

 

@kingdombrat

It appears this post made to the wrong thread.  Would you like it moved?  If so, where to?

 

 

To begin, the post by someone else concerning the Flood being local would have seemed to be the first step to off topic.   But oddly enough, it's a response to that post that got questioned.   I don't see how the Flood being local is related to the charismatic Movement.   But hey, it's obvious people only see what they wish to.

[appy]

43 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

To begin, the post by someone else concerning the Flood being local would have seemed to be the first step to off topic.   But oddly enough, it's a response to that post that got questioned.   I don't see how the Flood being local is related to the charismatic Movement.   But hey, it's obvious people only see what they wish to.

I'm guessing the post made it to the wrong thread....

 

 

[Guest kingdombrat]

6 minutes ago, appy said:

I'm guessing the post made it to the wrong thread....

 

 

Agreed!

[Paul James]

9 hours ago, appy said:

Hmmm.... every once in a while a post will make it to the wrong thread, and most often it isn't intentional but an oops moment. 

 

@kingdombrat

It appears this post made to the wrong thread.  Would you like it moved?  If so, where to?

 

 

I forgot I was the OP to be able to make that decision!

Might as well leave it where it is.  The original topic has run its course anyway.  If no one else is going to respond to the original topic.  It might be good to close the thread for replies and comments.