Members of Science Promoting Evolution and God

[Guest kingdombrat]

Not sure why this took so long for me to entertain the question I am about to ask.   But I suppose it's never too late and the Right time is now.  I honestly believe God has given us each special and unique gifts and talents that separate ourselves from one another, or they group us together.  Outside of possessing the gift of Mathematics, but the very interest and desire for Discovery can be extremely powerful tools.   And as we've already discovered here at Worthy, there are some who professionally use their talents to further both Education and Science itself.   And with absolutely no doubt, these unique human beings have been a [Blessing] to observe.   Personally, I believe these Individuals do love God and He is their Lord and Savior.   And I do believe they feel they are doing a great justice towards the advancement of Science.   Even with promoting Evolution.   And this is where my underling question originates from.

 

Even though, [You](those who Believe in God and promote the Theory of Evolution), believe you're part of giant team that can prove Evolution is True, even that God Himself used Evolution to produce LIFE.  If your Research is taken by those who OPPOSE God, as a Reason to continue denying the existence of God, how responsible do you feel knowing this will/could ultimately send them to a Burning Lake of Fire, Forever?

Edited May 21, 2021 by kingdombrat

[Who me]

2 hours ago, kingdombrat said:

believe you're part of giant team that can prove Evolution is True, even that God Himself used Evolution to produce LIFE

 

What is worse, despite believing in evolution as a means of gaining respect in the scientific community, they fail to realise that they are regarded as persons with  defective logic.

They believe in evolution and they also believe in God/Christianity.

As any atheists will tell you, the two beliefs are not logical compatible.

 

Atheists are convinced that the logic of evolution means there is no God.

 

So to believe in both is really to deny both beliefs.

[Guest kingdombrat]

7 hours ago, Who me said:

 

What is worse, despite believing in evolution as a means of gaining respect in the scientific community, they fail to realise that they are regarded as persons with  defective logic.

They believe in evolution and they also believe in God/Christianity.

As any atheists will tell you, the two beliefs are not logical compatible.

 

Atheists are convinced that the logic of evolution means there is no God.

 

So to believe in both is really to deny both beliefs.

Since we've had several Threads on the Topic of Evolution just here at Worthy alone.  And within those pages are numerous accounts of Members professing to be of both Concepts [God/Evolution].   I wonder if they have ever looked at Promoting Evolution as being the [SAME] as a Believer in God who denies Evolution, but is a Promoter of the Gospel of Christ?

 

To the SINNER and LOST, or to the Agnostic and Atheist, they are [well aware] of both Concepts (God vs Evolution) and they identify with both Concepts.   They are begging for more proof towards Evolution.   And if Believers in God are [FEEDING] them with more proof or the claim of more proof, why would they ever choose God?

 

And don't get me wrong here, we Believers can show Anger, do things that appear questionable, whatever the oddity may be, but to the Sinner/Lost/Agnostic/Atheist it is all confirmation why their decision to Deny God is justifiable.   But when you get involved with Evolution/God, people draw the line between the two except those professing to be both Believers in Evolution and God.   And then to have a Believer in God further the idealism of Evolution to those using it to Deny God, almost seems like a Judas move.   It isn't, and I for one do not feel anyone trying to promote both are a Judas.   But to the LOST/SINNER/AGNOSTIC/ATHEIST that gains a deeper conviction against God by the supposed evidence within Evolution, I wonder how God Himself views this?   Ultimately, it's working against God and against the possible Gospel gains to increase the Kingdom.   But just as equal, it's concreting those deniers in God a permanent space into the Lake of Fire for all Eternity.   Surely God has to view this as not His Plan and Intentions.   So, if preachers are dealt with a more harsher Judgement for being the shepherd of God's Flock, what happens to Believers who unfortunately further the advancements to those who end up LOST forever?

[one.opinion]

17 hours ago, kingdombrat said:

If your Research is taken by those who OPPOSE God, as a Reason to continue denying the existence of God, how responsible do you feel knowing this will/could ultimately send them to a Burning Lake of Fire, Forever?

My research days are long past, as teaching is my predominant work effort for the last 20+ years. I have had many students over the years thanking me for talking about my faith and my acceptance of evolution because this has helped them in their faith. I have never had a student - in 22 years - tell me that my views have hurt their faith. I realize this is probably not something a student would tell a professor to their face, but I've never heard this indirectly through any other channels, either. When I talk about my love for God and His creation, they know that I have genuine faith and they knew they are free to disagree with me without judgement. I've had a few of those over the years (!) but we've always been able to talk and discuss in love and charity (choosing to attribute the best motives, etc to the person disagreeing with you).

[one.opinion]

Ok, one more thing. Students also know that the good news of Jesus Christ is primary for me. What we believe about how long God took to create is of comparatively minor importance. 

[Guest kingdombrat]

2 hours ago, one.opinion said:

My research days are long past, as teaching is my predominant work effort for the last 20+ years. I have had many students over the years thanking me for talking about my faith and my acceptance of evolution because this has helped them in their faith. I have never had a student - in 22 years - tell me that my views have hurt their faith. I realize this is probably not something a student would tell a professor to their face, but I've never heard this indirectly through any other channels, either. When I talk about my love for God and His creation, they know that I have genuine faith and they knew they are free to disagree with me without judgement. I've had a few of those over the years (!) but we've always been able to talk and discuss in love and charity (choosing to attribute the best motives, etc to the person disagreeing with you).

I believe this is a [Wonderful Testimony]!

Thank You for sharing.

And like I've mentioned in my first post, I absolutely believe You and Others connected to the advancement and education of Science are my Brothers/Sisters in Christ.   

Do you think if you struggled in Mathematics and did not posses the God given drive to seek/research the unknown, and I suppose interested in other things quite the opposite, would You still believe in Evolution?

Edited May 22, 2021 by kingdombrat

[Guest kingdombrat]

2 hours ago, one.opinion said:

Ok, one more thing. Students also know that the good news of Jesus Christ is primary for me. What we believe about how long God took to create is of comparatively minor importance. 

Amen!

[Marathoner]

We cannot control what the denier nor the scoffer does; their denial of the Lord is not a matter of science nor education. No, neither lead one to deny Jesus Christ. Remember that great evil has been committed on this earth by some who profess the name of Christ but we know that the workers of iniquity are responsible for the evil, not the Lord.  

The scriptures do not state "only those who call upon the name of the Lord and adhere to <insert non-essential matter here> shall be saved." This is not what the Lord has given to us. It's good to remember this always because it serves to temper our judgment with restraint as well as mercy. There's nothing amiss with discussing non-essential matters nor with disagreeing about such things, but let us leave it at that and go no further with it.  

 

[one.opinion]

42 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

Do you think if you struggled in Mathematics and did not posses the God given drive to seek/research the unknown, and I suppose interested in other things quite the opposite, would You still believe in Evolution?

Hmmm... That’s a really good question I’ve never considered before. If my interests and abilities were in a completely different area and vocation, I don’t know if I would have much confidence in the process by which science evaluates and interprets masses of collected data. It’s really hard to say if I would or wouldn’t.

[teddyv]

23 hours ago, kingdombrat said:

Even though, [You](those who Believe in God and promote the Theory of Evolution), believe you're part of giant team that can prove Evolution is True, even that God Himself used Evolution to produce LIFE.  If your Research is taken by those who OPPOSE God, as a Reason to continue denying the existence of God, how responsible do you feel knowing this will/could ultimately send them to a Burning Lake of Fire, Forever?

I strongly doubt that any matters that I may deal with in the field of geology is what drives anyone to continue denial of the existence of God. Your question sort of negates or ignores the power of the Holy Spirit - that, or you are implying that subscribing to evolutionary theory somehow "quenches" the Holy Spirit. I would like to believe that my actions and interactions, lifestyle and what-not are going to be far more powerful witnesses to Christ than the scientific theories that I accept and use daily.

I don't see myself as on some "giant team that can prove Evolution is True". I am barely qualified to speak to the nuances of evolutionary theory. I do have certain trust in the scientific process to explain things, but fully aware there are going to be gaps in knowledge that will likely never be adequately explained.