Before Life

[missmuffet]

17 minutes ago, Arrabon said:

@missmuffet

Jeremiah 1:5, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you," 

Yes, God knew us before we were born. But that does not mean we existed before we were born.

[Arrabon]

2 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Yes, God knew us before we were born. But that does not mean we existed before we were born.

@missmuffet

And how could God know someone if they didn't exist?

We are talking existing in spirit aren't we?

Could you please explain in more detail what you mean in your quoted statement above? I want to understand your thinking.

Thank you.

[grahampaul]

we existed  in the forknowledge of God long before we were knit together in the womb.being predestinated would indicate forknowledge.

[Arrabon]

4 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Jeremiah 1:5 "I knew you"

@missmuffet my dear lady.

I have studied Greek and Hebrew many years and the context of this word "KNEW' in Hebrew is "yada", which means to know someone personally, one to one relationally and go as far as meaning to know someone sexually in the right context.

This word NEVER has the context of meaning knowing ABOUT someone. Out of over 800 uses in the Old Testament of this statement to know, always means FACE TO FACE.

Edited May 29, 2021 by Arrabon

[David1701]

4 hours ago, Arrabon said:

@missmuffet

And how could God know someone if they didn't exist?

 

In the same way that an author can know his characters, before he has written the book.

[missmuffet]

5 hours ago, Arrabon said:

@missmuffet

And how could God know someone if they didn't exist?

We are talking existing in spirit aren't we?

Could you please explain in more detail what you mean in your quoted statement above? I want to understand your thinking.

Thank you.

God knows everything. He knew us before we were born. You can not put a limit on God He is omniscience. The Mormans believe we existed somewhere before we were born. That is not biblical. 

[Arrabon]

2 minutes ago, David1701 said:

In the same way that an author can know his characters, before he has written the book.

@David1701 my friend.

You have to understand that all words have meaning and they are always spoken in context. It's part of ANY LANGUAGE.

This statement "TO KNOW", "yada, in the Hebrew language, used over 800 times in the Old Testament, ALWAYS means TO KNOW PERSONALLY, RELATIONALLY, ALWAYS FACE TO FACE.

The word has no other meaning or use in the Old Testament.

It's like your trying to say a chicken can be an apple - makes no sense.

 

[Arrabon]

5 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

God knows everything. He knew us before we were born. You can not put a limit on God He is omniscience. The Mormans believe we existed somewhere before we were born. That is not biblical. 

@missmuffet

Well sister, I have shared nothing but verse after verse in Gods words on this topic with you, not my own words. I have no more verses, but I wish you had posted some verses to validate your thinking, and not just your opinion.

There is power in Gods word, but not in opinions, that's why we share scripture to validate God's word not our own.

The power of God's word can enter a persons heart and change that person's life, but the opinions of men are just opinions with no power.

Hebrews 4:12, NLT For the word of GOD is ALIVE and POWERFUL. It is sharper than the sharpest two-edged sword, cutting between soul and spirit, between joint and marrow. It exposes our innermost thoughts and desires.

May God bless you on your continued search for HIS truth and HIS power in your life.

My name is Arrabon

[David1701]

26 minutes ago, Arrabon said:

@David1701 my friend.

You have to understand that all words have meaning and they are always spoken in context. It's part of ANY LANGUAGE.

This statement "TO KNOW", "yada, in the Hebrew language, used over 800 times in the Old Testament, ALWAYS means TO KNOW PERSONALLY, RELATIONALLY, ALWAYS FACE TO FACE.

The word has no other meaning or use in the Old Testament.

It's like your trying to say a chicken can be an apple - makes no sense.

 

I know about the relational meaning (it's the same with foreknowledge of people, in the Greek of the NT).  An author knows his characters, because it is he who plans them, in advance of writing his book.  He knows them intimately, in a way that no-one else can.

[Arrabon]

19 minutes ago, David1701 said:

I know about the relational meaning (it's the same with foreknowledge of people, in the Greek of the NT).  An author knows his characters, because it is he who plans them, in advance of writing his book.  He knows them intimately, in a way that no-one else can.

@David1701

If you have read everything I have posted, you know all I posted was God's word, not my opinion.

You haven't posted any verses to validate your thinking, and I wish you had so we could continue this conversation.

I have enjoyed our discussion, but I have nothing more to add as God has spoken through the power of His word, and I have nothing more of His word to offer you.

God bless you as you continue to search out the truth you are looking for that will satisfy you.

My name is Arrabon

Edited May 29, 2021 by Arrabon