Who Was The Beast In The Book Of Revelation?

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22 hours ago, Selah7 said:

I believe the last days will be a time when eyes and ears will need to be wide open.  It will be a time where two beasts will be combining and intertwining….deceptively.  These two beasts will be political and religious.  

The beast nation that is political and religious has been ruling over the people of Israel for the last 2000 years, Rome.

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9 hours ago, The Light said:

The 1st beast is Nimrod for anyone that has a clue.

It is not Nimrod, he is dead and will not be returning in the flesh.

The beast is a nation, shown by Dan. 2 and Dan. 7.

The leader of that nation is Caesar.

Not just one Caesar, but all of them.

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On 6/10/2021 at 10:38 AM, abcdef said:

It is not Nimrod, he is dead and will not be returning in the flesh.

The beast is a nation, shown by Dan. 2 and Dan. 7.

The leader of that nation is Caesar.

Not just one Caesar, but all of them.

Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is..

The beast was and is not, and shall ascend out the the bottomless pit.

Does that sound like a nation? No.

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Nimrod was the 1st king. He will also be the eighth king and he is of the 7. Nimrod is the beast, not a nation.

Ecc 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

 

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On 6/5/2021 at 10:41 AM, JAG** said:

Who Was The Beast Of the Book Of Revelation?

Short answer: Nero Caesar.

 

Correct question: Who IS the Beast of the book of Revelation?

Correct answer: Nimrod.

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On 6/10/2021 at 9:38 AM, abcdef said:

The beast is a nation, shown by Dan. 2 and Dan. 7.

Not exactly. The beasts of Daniel 7 were the heavenly sarim/powers/spirits that underlay the earthly ones. The evil sarim dominated and at times outright possessed the human rulers of their respective nations. The archangel Michael is the only righteous sar ever mentioned:

Daniel 10:20 Then he said, “Do you know why I have come to you? And now I must return to fight with the sar/'prince' of Persia; and when I have gone forth, indeed the sar/'prince' of Greece will come. 21 But I will tell you what is noted in the Scripture of Truth. (No one upholds me against these, except Michael your sar."

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On 6/12/2021 at 8:50 AM, The Light said:

Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is..

The beast was and is not, and shall ascend out the the bottomless pit.

Does that sound like a nation? No.

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Nimrod was the 1st king. He will also be the eighth king and he is of the 7. Nimrod is the beast, not a nation.

Ecc 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

 

Take another look at the nations that rule over the people of Israel in Dan. 2 and Dan. 7.

These are nations that all have more than one ruler, but are in each case still pictured as one individual beast nation.

The beast nations are spoken of as "he" even though it encompasses several or many rulers, especially when it comes to the last beast which is Rome (iron). 

The image of the 7-8 heads that rule are shown in Rev 17, show that the beast nation has more than one ruler. So the time of the beast is not just one person, but is many lifetimes.

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The beast nation that ascends out of the abyss is Rome.

The sea beast Rome dies in 476 AD ish and comes out of the abyss in 1929 when the Bishop of Rome returns to sit on the seat of the beast, exactly where he was 2000 years ago.

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On 6/13/2021 at 1:40 PM, WilliamL said:

Not exactly. The beasts of Daniel 7 were the heavenly sarim/powers/spirits that underlay the earthly ones. The evil sarim dominated and at times outright possessed the human rulers of their respective nations. The archangel Michael is the only righteous sar ever mentioned:

Daniel 10:20 Then he said, “Do you know why I have come to you? And now I must return to fight with the sar/'prince' of Persia; and when I have gone forth, indeed the sar/'prince' of Greece will come. 21 But I will tell you what is noted in the Scripture of Truth. (No one upholds me against these, except Michael your sar."

While I agree that there are Satanic spirits behind the images of the nations in Dan. 2, that is not an exclusive idea.

That is, Dan. 2:38 says that Nebuchadnezzar "is" the head of gold, and not that some spirit is the head of gold.

So the statue is describing real earth nations.

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On 6/13/2021 at 1:40 PM, WilliamL said:

Not exactly. The beasts of Daniel 7 were the heavenly sarim/powers/spirits that underlay the earthly ones.

The images of the Dan. 7 beasts describe their attributes toward the people of Israel.

The images describe the nations and their abilities to dominate the people of Israel.

They do not necessarily describe the powers behind the nations, but are rather describing the actual relationships of the nations to Israel, not the spirits behind the nations.

 

On 6/13/2021 at 1:40 PM, WilliamL said:

 

 

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3 hours ago, abcdef said:

While I agree that there are Satanic spirits behind the images of the nations in Dan. 2, that is not an exclusive idea.

That is, Dan. 2:38 says that Nebuchadnezzar "is" the head of gold, and not that some spirit is the head of gold.

So the statue is describing real earth nations.

Nebuchadnezzar was a king, not a nation.

Jesus is a king, indwelt by His Father.

Nebuchadnezzar was indwelt by the spiritual sar of the Chaldean nation.

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7 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Nebuchadnezzar was a king, not a nation.

Yes, he was the king of the nation, the head of gold in Dan. 2 and the 1st beast nation of Dan. 7.

But the head of gold did not end when Nebuchadnezzar died. It ended when the Medes and Persians ended Babylon's reign over the people of Israel, the same image as the 1st beast in Dan. 7. This shows that the images are of nations and kings, but neither one exclusively.

So when it says that "he shall speak", or "shall be given into his hand", it is talking about the 4th beast horn who is a king over a nation, Dan. 7:25. But it doesn't mean that it is only one person in one lifetime. The horn/king is still part of the 4th beast which lasts far more than the lifetime of one man. 

The life time of the 4th beast in Dan. 7 lasts centuries, paralleling the iron nation shown in Dan. 2 that begins in 63 BC.

The horns of the 4th beast in Dan. 7 begin after the 4th beast is divided into separate nations with separate kings. After this division into separate nations, the kings continue for centuries even to our present day.

Trying to compress the 4th beast into just a few years of one lifetime distorts the meaning.

Just like the iron nation in Dan. 2, the 4th beast is continual, with a continuing line of kings over centuries.

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The sea and earth beasts of Rev are the same beast as the 4th beast nation imaged in Dan. 7, and shown as the iron nation in Dan. 2, Rome.

They are the Roman nation with Caesar as king, not just one individual Caesar, but all of them in one continual unbroken timeline dominating over the people of Israel. Even after the Roman Empire dies (7th head), the timeline is continued by the line of the image Caesars, the Bishops of Rome (8th head). Not just one person in one lifetime, but many "kings" over centuries.

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The beasts in the Rev are nations with kings.

The beast nation that comes out of the abyss is Rome. The 5th trumpet shows this (1929), as well as Rev 20:3 & 7.

The dragon/beast that attempts to kill Jesus at His birth in Rev 12 is king Herod and Rome. One king, Herod, but when Herod died, it was not the end of the dragon/beast/nation/4th beast/iron nation.

The attributes given to the beasts are on a national scale.

 

7 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Jesus is a king, indwelt by His Father.

Jesus is the Father.

7 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Nebuchadnezzar was indwelt by the spiritual sar of the Chaldean nation.

Show me where it says that.