Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

[DeighAnn]

17 hours ago, Josheb said:

Matthew 24:3
"As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, 'Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?'"

Were my posts read? I don't believe I said the sings would be given at a different time. Please show me where I stated such a thing and I will either clarify it or correct it. If that question is being broached just to cover the base knowing I did not say signs will be given at a different time then you'll have to ask those who say such things. 

 

 

I don't know if you did or didn't.  But, I believe they are.  

[DeighAnn]

Did the time remain 'near' once Christ was rejected or did the Crucifixion render any 'last day' events and mentions for and about that time moot?  

 

Another way to ask

There were two different ways GODs word speaks to the 1st Advent and it's outcome and they are either

Christ accepted or  Christ rejected.  

When the WORD speaks to Christ accepted which Chapters and verses speak to that and what will take place because of it?  

What happens to those verses when instead of being accepted,  He was rejected?  

And visa versa

[DeighAnn]

On 6/18/2021 at 8:31 PM, Josheb said:

Two thoughts: 

1) I have already answered and addressed these concerns so either what I have posted hasn't been read and I'm being asked to repeat already posted content or it has been read and I am still being asked to repeat already posted content. This is the second time this has happened in this thread since you've joined the discussion. Just so you know, if it happens again I will not reply. Read the thread. Post all you like but don't expect me to unnecessarily repeat myself again. 

2) Of course the destruction of the temple has to do with things other then its own destruction. 

 

2 Samuel 7:8-17
"Now therefore, thus you shall say to My servant David, 'Thus says the LORD of hosts, 'I took you from the pasture, from following the sheep, to be ruler over My people Israel.  I have been with you wherever you have gone and have cut off all your enemies from before you; and I will make you a great name, like the names of the great men who are on the earth.  I will also appoint a place for My people Israel and will plant them, that they may live in their own place and not be disturbed again, nor will the wicked afflict them any more as formerly,  even from the day that I commanded judges to be over My people Israel; and I will give you rest from all your enemies. The LORD also declares to you that the LORD will make a house for you.  When your days are complete and you lie down with your fathers, I will raise up your descendant after you, who will come forth from you, and I will establish his kingdom.  He shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever.  I will be a father to him and he will be a son to Me; when he commits iniquity, I will correct him with the rod of men and the strokes of the sons of men,  but My lovingkindness shall not depart from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you.  Your house and your kingdom shall endure before Me forever; your throne shall be established forever.' In accordance with all these words and all this vision, so Nathan spoke to David." 

Acts 2:29-32 ESV
 “Brothers, I may say to you with confidence about the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.  Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne,  he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption.  This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses."

John 2:18-22
"The Jews then said to Him, 'What sign do You show us as your authority for doing these things?'  Jesus answered them, 'Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.'  The Jews then said, 'It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?'  But he was speaking of the temple of His body.  So when he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he said this; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had spoken."

Mark 14:53-58
"They led Jesus away to the high priest; and all the chief priests and the elders and the scribes gathered together.  Peter had followed Him at a distance, right into the courtyard of the high priest; and he was sitting with the officers and warming himself at the fire.  Now the chief priests and the whole Council kept trying to obtain testimony against Jesus to put Him to death, and they were not finding any.  For many were giving false testimony against Him, but their testimony was not consistent.  Some stood up and began to give false testimony against Him, saying,  'We heard Him say, 'I will destroy this temple made with hands, and in three days I will build another made without hands.'"

Matthew 26:59-61
"Now the chief priests and the whole Council kept trying to obtain false testimony against Jesus, so that they might put Him to death.  They did not find any, even though many false witnesses came forward. But later on two came forward,  and said, 'This man stated, 'I am able to destroy the temple of God and to rebuild it in three days.'" 

Matthew 27:33-40
"And when they came to a place called Golgotha, which means Place of a Skull,  they gave Him wine to drink mixed with gall; and after tasting it, He was unwilling to drink.  And when they had crucified Him, they divided up His garments among themselves by casting lots.  And sitting down, they began to keep watch over Him there.  And above His head they put up the charge against Him which read, 'This is the King of the Jews.' At that time two robbers were crucified with Him, one on the right and one on the left.  And those passing by were hurling abuse at Him, wagging their heads  and saying, 'You who are going to destroy the temple and rebuild it in three days, save yourself! If you are the Son of God, come down from the cross." 

Acts 6:8-14
"And Stephen, full of grace and power, was performing great wonders and signs among the people.  But some men from what was called the Synagogue of the Freedmen, including both Cyrenians and Alexandrians, and some from Cilicia and Asia, rose up and argued with Stephen.  But they were unable to cope with the wisdom and the Spirit with which he was speaking.  Then they secretly induced men to say, 'We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses and against God.'  And they stirred up the people, the elders and the scribes, and they came up to him and dragged him away and brought him before the Council.  They put forward false witnesses who said, 'This man incessantly speaks against this holy place and the Law;  for we have heard him say that this Nazarene, Jesus, will destroy this place and alter the customs which Moses handed down to us.'" 

Acts 7:44-48
"Our fathers had the tabernacle of testimony in the wilderness, just as He who spoke to Moses directed him to make it according to the pattern which he had seen.  And having received it in their turn, our fathers brought it in with Joshua upon dispossessing the nations whom God drove out before our fathers, until the time of David.  David found favor in God's sight, and asked that he might find a dwelling place for the God of Jacob.  But it was Solomon who built a house for Him.  However, the Most High does not dwell in houses made by human hands..."

Acts 17:22-25
"So Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, "Men of Athens, I observe that you are very religious in all respects.  "For while I was passing through and examining the objects of your worship, I also found an altar with this inscription, 'TO AN UNKNOWN GOD.' Therefore what you worship in ignorance, this I proclaim to you.  The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands;  nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things...." 

Hebrews 9:23-25
"Therefore it was necessary for the copies of the things in the heavens to be cleansed with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.  For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;  nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own."

1 Corinthians 3:9, 11-17
"For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, God's building. For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.  Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,  each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work.  If any man's work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward.  If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.  Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?  If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are." 

Revelation 21:1-4, 22
"Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea.  And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.  And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them,  and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away..... I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple."

 

This is just a sample of temple-destruction-relevant scripture. Since I know you know these passages and at least some of their significance I will assume those comments and inquiries were fostered unawares by a lapse of thought. Something to consider in addition to the above texts: Paul's letters are the only epistles to mention any temple. The entire New Testament after the gospels is silent on any then present or future significance the stone temple might have. 

Reminder: I will not repeat already-posted content again. Read the thread.

 

 

 

Any of those destroyed in 70 AD ?  


 

[Diaste]

22 hours ago, Josheb said:

I explicitly stated after we look at what is stated we "only then look to what can reasonably or exegetically be made to say from what is stated," and I have elswhere plainly stated we make exegetical, not eisegetical, inferences from what is stated, not what is imagined. Now perhaps those statements in my posts were not noticed but that's not a problem on my end of the conversation. There are literally scores of statements like this in my posts. 

How many times have you read me ask readers to pay attention to the details? 

I have never pushed aside inference totally.

Nor in part. Please do not ever imply that again. It is not true. I have repeatedly argued the exact opposite: infer exegetically, not eisegetically. Modern futurists infer eisegetically. This ends up creating inferences built on inferences and the frequent neglect of what is stated. It has happened right here in the 14 pages of this op. 

Who is the arbiter of real or imagined? 

So then why can't a third Temple be inferred from Matt 24, Mark 13, and 2 Thess 2? It can. The text is not imagined so the inference is valid. A Temple must stand for the A of D to be in the holy place and the man of sin to proclaim himself god.

If that prophecy was fulfilled as spoken by the prophet then please provide the archeological, anecdotal or eyewitness evidence.

The opposition to a Temple is timing: 70 AD, future. 

No matter. We will see soon enough.

 

[Diaste]

23 hours ago, Josheb said:

Then there is a mention. 

Please. That's part of the content of the discussion not a proof. 

[DeighAnn]

44 minutes ago, Diaste said:

Who is the arbiter of real or imagined? 

So then why can't a third Temple be inferred from Matt 24, Mark 13, and 2 Thess 2? It can. The text is not imagined so the inference is valid. A Temple must stand for the A of D to be in the holy place and the man of sin to proclaim himself god.

If that prophecy was fulfilled as spoken by the prophet then please provide the archeological, anecdotal or eyewitness evidence.

The opposition to a Temple is timing: 70 AD, future. 

No matter. We will see soon enough.

 

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


Do you think the 'temple' of God has to be a building built by the Jews in Jerusalem?  Is it the building or the 'land'?  Is this something that 'man' has defined that is not defined the same way by God?  Does it have to be an exact replica?  Is any of this mentioned?  

3485 naós (from naiō, "to dwell") – properly, a sanctuary (divine dwelling-place); a temple (sacred abode), the place of divine manifestation. 3485 (naós) refers to the sanctuary (the Jewish Temple proper), i.e. with just its two inner compartments (rooms). 


It seems like lately I have often found myself thinking about HOW WRONG the Jews were about what was written.  Clearly what they believed and expected wasn't at all what they had imagined.  How close are we Christians today in walking just like they did?   Having what we 'picture' to be soo far off from what is written.  


IS IT A BUILDING or are WE trying to make it a building?? We are given many hints that it is not. But how long do you think it would take one to be built especially when directed by supernatural intelligence and constructed by supernatural beings?  



 

Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of His might.

Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Ephesians 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

Ephesians 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

Ephesians 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

Ephesians 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Ephesians 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

Ephesians 6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

Ephesians 6:20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.


BECAUSE WE ARE LIVING IN THE minds of the 'LEFT BEHIND THEORIES' OF HOW THE END TIMES GO,  which tells of  the 'physical' trees being burn up instead of the 'spiritual trees' who lose their salvation through deception, rendering them the living 'dead'.  (let the dead bury the dead)  Grass the same.  All this deception, destruction and death comes from THE MOUTHS of them doesn't it?

I am with you 100%, we will know soon enough.  

[DeighAnn]

16 hours ago, Josheb said:

All of the op-relevant content has all already been answered and addressed. 

 Completely not true. The only one posting "in the exact same way" is you. It is increasingly evident little attention is paid to what is actually quoted with any purpose but to find places for dissent (when the dissent has already been addressed).

Yes, I do. All of it has in fact been addressed long before you showed up in the thread. Despite my polite and respectful request not to have to repeat anything and my patient, kind, forbearingly doing so unnecessarily I see it hasn't made a bit of difference. 

 

The text states what the text states. Stop making stuff up and adding to the text.

That version has them asking, "When will these things happen: the signs.... In other words, a colon is being inserted where none exists, nor can one exist given the facts of the text. It is three things being asked about, not two.

There isn't a single English translation in all of Christendom that translates Matthew 24:2 that way. There are reasons why no one in the entirety of all Christendom and all Christian history has translated the Greek that way AND there is a reason why some translate it differently. Start by paying attention to the "And". I trust knowledge pertaining to what a conjunction is and what it means in the middle of that verse. Does not take a scholar in Greek to understand what is stated. The "these things" are NOT about what follows, but what preceded. Learn the basics of scriptural exegesis and apply them. Look first at what is stated and only then consider what can exegetically be inferred based on what is stated. 

That rendering of "these things" is a big Fail. Please, please, please be as critical of the sources that taught you that as you are of my posts because that error was an obvious one. 

Completely avoidable if what I'd actually posted had actually been considered, too. 

Won't be replying directly to you any more in this thread until I read something op-relevant that hasn't already been covered. 

The Pharisees and Sadducees did the exact same thing. THEY knew the WORDS that were WRITTEN.  THEY MISSED THE ENTIRE TRUTH.  THEY MISSED THE SPIRIT OF THE TRUTH GIVEN WITHIN THE WRITTEN WORDS.  They could dissect the words, could give conclusions on what they thought  BUT THE LAW didn't help them find the SPIRIT of the truth.  



Think about it, they KNEW what was STATED and STILL

GOT it ALL COMPLETELY WRONG.  

WHY? How?  What went wrong?  What are we told?  Why do we need to come to GOD IN FAITH?  BELIEF?  Because WITHOUT that ALL WE CAN SEE IS WHAT IS STATED, BUT WE CAN'T SEE OR HEAR THE TRUTH.   

Because they went by what was written WITHOUT seeing GODS TRUTH in WHAT WAS WRITTEN.  

Just like from the very beginning.  

Hath God said???  



 

Edited June 20, 2021 by DeighAnn
NOT

[DeighAnn]

16 hours ago, Josheb said:

Start by paying attention to the "And". I trust knowledge pertaining to what a conjunction is and what it means in the middle of that verse. Does not take a scholar in Greek to understand what is stated. The "these things" are NOT about what follows, but what preceded. Learn the basics of scriptural exegesis and apply them. Look first at what is stated and only then consider what can exegetically be inferred based on what is stated. 

Just FYI, I do understand the 'Ands' of Scripture and not just as being conjunctions.  


It was by REMOVING the divisions man had placed in Gods Words, not adding to them.  You can SAY it was THREE but anyone who can read can see the one question asked at the one place and the DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT place and time of the other 2 questions asked.  


And NO, I will never be led by 'mans school of HOW to read the bible'  over the Holy Spirits leading to Gods Truth.  

[Diaste]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


Do you think the 'temple' of God has to be a building built by the Jews in Jerusalem?  Is it the building or the 'land'?  Is this something that 'man' has defined that is not defined the same way by God?  Does it have to be an exact replica?  Is any of this mentioned?  

3485 naós (from naiō, "to dwell") – properly, a sanctuary (divine dwelling-place); a temple (sacred abode), the place of divine manifestation. 3485 (naós) refers to the sanctuary (the Jewish Temple proper), i.e. with just its two inner compartments (rooms). 


It seems like lately I have often found myself thinking about HOW WRONG the Jews were about what was written.  Clearly what they believed and expected wasn't at all what they had imagined.  How close are we Christians today in walking just like they did?   Having what we 'picture' to be soo far off from what is written.  


IS IT A BUILDING or are WE trying to make it a building?? We are given many hints that it is not. But how long do you think it would take one to be built especially when directed by supernatural intelligence and constructed by supernatural beings?  



 

Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of His might.

Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Ephesians 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

Ephesians 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

Ephesians 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

Ephesians 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Ephesians 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

Ephesians 6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

Ephesians 6:20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.


BECAUSE WE ARE LIVING IN THE minds of the 'LEFT BEHIND THEORIES' OF HOW THE END TIMES GO,  which tells of  the 'physical' trees being burn up instead of the 'spiritual trees' who lose their salvation through deception, rendering them the living 'dead'.  (let the dead bury the dead)  Grass the same.  All this deception, destruction and death comes from THE MOUTHS of them doesn't it?

I am with you 100%, we will know soon enough.  

When it comes to prophecy there is an immutable idea that must be fulfilled.

"You may ask in your heart, “How can we recognize a message that the LORD has not spoken?” 22When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD and the message does not come to pass or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him."

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

"

We need to listen and watch for the 'come to pass or come true"

[DeighAnn]

7 hours ago, Josheb said:

The evidence proves otherwise. 

Same fruit.  

The Holy Place.  Remember Daniels prophecy?  Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

BUT the evidence does NOT prove otherwise except in your opinion.  

The evidence follows exactly as I have stated it.  IF only YOU COULD FIND A CONNECTION instead of just a conjunction to hang your hat on... 

Were they at the temple?  Was the destruction of the temple spoken of?  Were there any other 'end time events' spoken of at that time?  

Did they leave the temple?  Did they bring up it's destruction once they did?  

So no end times talked about when destruction was and no destruction spoken of when end times were 

AND you say I GOT it wrong?  And still not once have you shown the connection.  

 

7 hours ago, Josheb said:

The conjunction was not added; it is there in the Greek for any and all to see. I posted links to prove the point. You are not doing what you claim to be doing and this is now demonstrably established. You are in fact 1) ignoring what is plainly stated, 2) denying the facts of the Greek and 3) adding things nowhere stated. 

There is a name for what just happened. It's not a good term. 

NO it is not.  

AGAIN, The 1st prophecy was spoken about the temple AT the temple

The 2nd prophecy was spoken about the end and was spoken AT the Mount of Olives



SO ANY AND WITHIN THE VERSE THAT CAME AT THE MOUNT OF OLIVES HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DESTRUCTION OF THE TEMPLE.  

Doesn't matter how many people have said it for how many years.  IT IS WRITTEN.  

2 DIFFERENT PLACES
2 DIFFERENT TIMES
2 DIFFERENT PROPHECIES

I can't help it if I don't just take the tail of the elephant in front of me and follow where ever he leads BECAUSE

I READ about the SCRIBES WAY back in Chronicles.   I read the first words out of the mouth of Satan and the FIRST THING HE said wasn't even SOMETHING I would have noticed as 'CHANGING THE TRUTH INTO A LIE' but none the less from that time on I have been very aware of just how Satan works in Gods Word and what it LOOKS like and how I can FEEL the bait and switch long before I ever see it.  

Show me  ANY MENTION OF TEMPLE DESTRUCTION once they get to the Mount. and that conversation begins.

                                NASB LEXICON

2521  TO BE SEATED
3735  A MOUNTAIN
1636  AN OLIVE
3101  A DISCIPLE
4334  TO APPROACH, TO DRAW NEAR
2596  DOWN, AGAINST, ACCORDING TO
3004  TO SAY
4219  WHEN
3778  THIS
1510  I EXIST, I AM
5101  WHO WHICH WHAT
4592  A SIGN
3952  A PRESENCE, A COMING
4930  A JOINT PAYMENT (FOR PUBLIC SERVICE), JOINT ACTION, SPEC COMPLETION
165  A SPACE OF TIME, AN AGE

INTERLINEAR

2521  {AS} WAS SITTING
1161   NOW
846    HE
1909  UPON
3588  THE
3735  MOUNT
3588 
1636  OF OLIVES
4334  CAME TO
846    HIM
3101  DISCIPLES
2596  IN
2398  PRIVATE
3004  SAYING
2036  TELL
1473  US
4219  WHEN
3778  THESE THINGS 
1510  WILL BE
2532  AND
5101  WHAT {IS}
3588  THE
4592  SIGN
3588  
4674  OF YOUR
3952  COMING
2532  AND
4930  OF THE CONSUMMATION 
3588  OF THE
165    AGE

 

 

7 hours ago, Josheb said:

What you're talking about is the difference between evidence and proof. The fact is the temple is mentioned in Matthew 24 AND the temple that is mentioned is the temple of stone that was standing in Jerusalem during the incarnation AND the "these things" cannot be solely about the signs because of the conjunctions and conjugation of the text itself. THAT is the evidence. No interpretation has yet been applied to those facts by me. Everyone else here with whom I am trading posts has tried to make the text say something other than what is stated. The fact is the temple is mentioned and it was claimed the temple was not mentioned. 

 AND the "these things" cannot be solely about the signs because of the conjunctions and conjugation of the text itself.

 

THAT is the evidence??  IS that HOW we are told to read the WORD OF GOD?  Does that sound like something the common child would pick up on?  

Is it really EVERYONE else here with whom you are trading posts TRYING TO MAKE THE TEXT SAY SOMETHING other than what is stated????????


 

1 Corinthians 3:7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

1 Corinthians 3:8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

1 Corinthians 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

1 Corinthians 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

1 Corinthians 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

1 Corinthians 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

1 Corinthians 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

1 Corinthians 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

1 Corinthians 3:18 LET NO MAN DECEIVE HIMSELF. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

1 Corinthians 3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

1 Corinthians 3:21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are your's;

1 Corinthians 3:22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are your's;

1 Corinthians 3:23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.