The Intellect Verses The Heart

[JustClay]

27 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

That was the Tanakh, the law and the Prophets. 

The bible is different. The bible was assembled centuries after the Lord ascended to sit upon the throne of the Father. There were different canons; different books included in the canon at various times; translations and so forth. You understand this, right?

The Bible is not “different.”  It is all God’s inerrant story of our redemption.  Aren’t  you glad that the Holy Spirit did not stop with the OT?  I am.  His words are the first words I want to hear each day.  Hmmmm… the Holy Spirit must have had a reason to continue telling the story, make sure it was written, and preserve it through the ages for us today.  Right?  

I speak for no one else here other than myself.  I cannot separate God from His Word or His Spirit.  He puts Himself on display in nature as well as in the written Word, and if I want to know Him deeply and fully, I will take in as much as I can get. 

[David1701]

1 hour ago, Sower said:

So, do I understand you correctly, that when the KJV bible I read says "and the word was God", it doesn't really mean that 'the word was God', and "what it really means" is your own interpretation as you posted?
Thank you for your post.

What???

Of course it means that the word was God!  Jesus is God expressing himself in human form - God manifest in the flesh.

[Sower]

3 hours ago, David1701 said:

I thought about that very verse, as I was writing my post.  The Lord Jesus Christ is the Word made flesh.  "Word" here is the Greek word "logos", which means "an idea plus its expression".  In other words, Jesus is the very expression of God, in human form.

quote;
"As the Logos, Jesus Christ is God in self-revelation (Light) and redemption (Life). ... Jesus Christ not only gives God's Word to us humans; he is the Word. The Logos is God, begotten and therefore distinguishable from the Father, but, being God, of the same substance (essence)."

"By using the term Logos or “Word” in John 1:1, John is amplifying and applying a concept with which his audience was familiar and using that to introduce his readers to the true Logos of God in Jesus Christ, the Living Word of God, fully God and yet fully man, who came to reveal God to man and redeem all who believe in Him from their sin."

**The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth (John 1:14

He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God (Revelation 19:13).

 

He wrote the program.....

[David1701]

3 minutes ago, Sower said:

quote;
"As the Logos, Jesus Christ is God in self-revelation (Light) and redemption (Life). ... Jesus Christ not only gives God's Word to us humans; he is the Word. The Logos is God, begotten and therefore distinguishable from the Father, but, being God, of the same substance (essence)."

"By using the term Logos or “Word” in John 1:1, John is amplifying and applying a concept with which his audience was familiar and using that to introduce his readers to the true Logos of God in Jesus Christ, the Living Word of God, fully God and yet fully man, who came to reveal God to man and redeem all who believe in Him from their sin."

**The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth (John 1:14

He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God (Revelation 19:13).

 

He wrote the program.....

Do you think that I disagree with this?  I don't, well, except the part about the Logos being begotten.  It was Jesus' humanity that was begotten, not his Godhood, which is eternal.

[Sower]

1 hour ago, David1701 said:

What???

Of course it means that the word was God!  Jesus is God expressing himself in human form - God manifest in the flesh.

Then my apologies.
You stated the bible is not God.
The bible is God's word.
The word is God.
My delema trying to understand you.

[David1701]

Just now, Sower said:

Then my apologies.
You stated the bible is not God.
The bible is God's word.
The word is God.
My delema trying to understand you.

Those are two different uses of "word".

The Bible is the inspired written word of God.

Jesus is God expressing himself (showing who he is), in human form.  He is God manifest in the flesh.

[enoob57]

The most important issue in all this is how are we to understand how God looks at His written Word called Scriptures...
2 Tim 3:15-17

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
KJV

The result of Scripture is 'man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works'... now correct me -> if I am wrong <- 

perfect in the idea of completeness... this is what the Word of God can produce in the son's and daughters of God! So if the sufficiency of Scripture is not so how then can God say this? The charismatic movement has brought feelings, internal intuitions so as to cause one to trust one's own heart as to determine what is or is not of God. This is directly in disagreement of what Scripture teaches above and will lead to further error and disregard to Scripture!  

[missmuffet]

On 6/13/2021 at 11:40 PM, clancy said:

I would say my intellect is pretty average.

Can we discuss how important it is to have intellect,?

No disrespect to those with high intellect, but, do you think that being overly intellectual ,it can hinder the work of the Holy Spirit, in their hearts?

Are they at a disadvantage in any way?......is their thinking over complicated?....they are highly intellectual, so surely  must be thinking that way constantly?

Can the Holy Spirit work better in a meek uncomplicated mind?...on saying that most minds are complicated aren’t they....I guess the Holy Spirit speaks to the heart of a person ,which is relayed to the mind.

i am growing and trying to understand,...no problems if this OP is taken off course,..I love to see the twists and turns of an OP.

can also understand how annoying it can be to those who like to stay strictly to the OP......we all differ.?

We must depend on the Word of God not our intellect to lead us to the truth. Our human intellect needs redemption. The human intellect is limited. 

[David1701]

12 hours ago, enoob57 said:

We couldn't disagree more! I believe 100% these passages
John 5:24
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
KJV

Acts 13:46

46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
KJV

2 Tim 3:15-17

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
KJV
 

 

Not one of those passages says that Scripture, on its own, can save anyone.  Two of them say clearly that faith is required; and, we know from other passages that faith is a gift from God that not everyone has.  We also know, from other passages, that a mark that someone is elect, is that the gospel does not come to him in word only, but in the power of the Holy Spirit.

Do not just look at what the Bible says, look at what it also says.

2 Pet. 1:1 (WEB) Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a like precious faith with us in the righteousness of our God and Saviour, Jesus Christ:

Phil. 1:29 (KJV) For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

2 Thess. 3:2 (WEB) and that we may be delivered from unreasonable and evil men; for not all have faith.

1 Thess. 1:4,5 (EMTV)

4 knowing, beloved brothers, your election by God.
5 For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance, just as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake.

Edited June 17, 2021 by David1701

[David1701]

9 hours ago, enoob57 said:

The most important issue in all this is how are we to understand how God looks at His written Word called Scriptures...
2 Tim 3:15-17

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
KJV

The result of Scripture is 'man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works'... now correct me -> if I am wrong <- 

perfect in the idea of completeness... this is what the Word of God can produce in the son's and daughters of God! So if the sufficiency of Scripture is not so how then can God say this? The charismatic movement has brought feelings, internal intuitions so as to cause one to trust one's own heart as to determine what is or is not of God. This is directly in disagreement of what Scripture teaches above and will lead to further error and disregard to Scripture!  

You keep omitting the necessity of faith and the power of the Holy Spirit operating in a person's life.  The written word, on its own, accomplishes NOTHING, except to increase the knowledge and responsibility of the reader.

Do not just look at what the Bible says, look at what it also says.

Heb. 11:6 (EMTV) And without faith it is impossible to please God, for it is necessary for the one approaching God to believe that He is, and that He becomes a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

2 Pet. 1:1 (WEB) Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a like precious faith with us in the righteousness of our God and Saviour, Jesus Christ:

Phil. 1:29 (KJV) For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

2 Thess. 3:2 (WEB) and that we may be delivered from unreasonable and evil men; for not all have faith.

1 Thess. 1:4,5 (EMTV)

4 knowing, beloved brothers, your election by God.
5 For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance, just as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake.